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Bob posted on October 13, 2010, 7:37 am
Have a 2009 Buick LaCrosse. Don't use all that much. Sr. Citizen now.
Tires that came with the car are wearing out already, after only about
14K on it. They are Goodyear Integra, and probably about the worst
tires I have ever had as OEM with a new car.
Was wondering if anyone might have any opinions on the Michelin Harmony
tires ?
Live in New England, so am particularly interested in how they are in
snow and ice conditions.
I looked them up in the TireRack opinions, and it seems, like most of
these type of reviews, that folks like them, and don't like them.
What do you think of the Nokian WRG2 ? Only warr. for 50 K, but if
snow/ice performance substantially better than the Harmony, I would go
with them ? Thoughts on ?
Any thoughts and opinions on the Michelin Harmony (or Nokian WRG2)would
be most appreciated. Will want to stick with the all-season, as
changing tires, and storing them, twice a year, is frankly just too much
of a hassle for me now.
BTW: Tire shops tell me that as I now have OEM tires on, there is no
pro-rating warr., and that mfg wear warr. does not apply.
Is this true ?
Much thanks,
B.
raamman posted on
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I had harmonys on my saturn for about 4 yrs till I ditched the 'turn-
d- great tires; noticed a difference right away
PeterD posted on
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A 2009 with 14K is hardly 'not used that much'... Say two years, 14K
miles is lower than average but not that bad.
How are the tires wearing? I'm convinced that some cars have tires
that are made with either reduced tread depth, or with rubber designed
to wear out prematurally. My grand daughter's Hyundai wore its tires
out in under 20K miles, too. I was unimpressed, since I've 55K miles
on my Dodge truck's tires adn they are still good for another year at
least.
Personally I'd recommend winter tires in the winter, and summer tires
in the summer.
Check the tire warranty book that came with the car when you bought
it. Yes, you did get a tire warranty book, it must be supplied with
the (new) car by law, and it will outline the tire warranty.
How did the tires wear, evenly or not? Were they rotated according to
the schedule? Have you checked alignment as needed?
Ed Pawlowski posted on
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Two of the tires on my Hyundai (Sonata) were replaced at 44,000, the other
two were still good when I traded it in a 67000. They were the OEM
Michelins.
Being worn at 14k or 20k seems rather poor for most any tire made today.
Could be like the printer cartridges that come half filled in new units from
the factory.
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I was bothered by the quick demise of these tires too... It is
possible that it was her driving habits (but she's generally a good
driver, and you don't do many burnouts in a Hyundai. Another
possiblity is simply that they were defective from the factory
(improperly cured, or wrong rubber mix...)
Canuck57 posted on
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I don't know about Harmony at all but have bought Michelin's exclusively
since 1999. On my truck, I will get 90k miles no problem at my current
tread wear. They are A/T all seasons. On a 1995 Pathfinder that had
steering issues, in 1999 I changed the tires and the problems
disappeared. Wa a smother ride, good steering even better gas millage.
Hopefully in a few years when I need another set they still make them good.
hls posted on
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You have to be a little careful about which particular Michelins you buy.
They
will not all give you this sort of tread life. Nor were they intended to.
I have bought Michelins for years, but when the high priced (ca $185 each)
Michelins on our Avalon failed at 27,000 miles, I started looking around.
These tires had a treadlife rating of about 300-400, speed rating up around
167 mph or suchlike. (I dont remember the exact numbers, but you will get my
drift)
These tires were intended to be smooth and stick like glue.. They just dont
last long.
I replaced those tires with some Platinum Kumhos, same speed rating,
but treadlife over 700.
About a year ago, I priced Michelins at WalMart. Then I checked the figures
on tirerack.com. They did not have good customer reviews, and the expected
treadlife was mediocre.
I still like Michelins, but be careful what you buy.
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Will keep that in mind. I too am from Canada, and I time my tire
replacements with a shopping trip to the US, get them up at SAMS Club or
Walmart. Stop by the Canadian border on the way back and pay the taxes
and save a bundle. As good tires in Canada seem very much over priced.
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I assume all Canadians would pay the proper tax, the same way we report our
state taxes on mail order from out of state.
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I dont believe we (Texas) pay taxes on out of state orders, Ed.
We didnt, at one time, but that may have changed and I just didnt
pay it any attention.
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If your state has a sales tax, they also have a use tax. You have to report
and pay the tax on out of state purchases where no tax was collected by the
seller.
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When I lived there for 10 years, I never once did. Never added up to
much, but never did. Don't think anyone I knew did either.
--
In Alberta, Liberals are like rats, not many of them around.
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Does not matter what you think; check the laws.
http://www.state.me.us/revenue/salesuse/usetax.pdf
Use Tax is a substitute for sales tax. All states which have a sales tax
also impose a use tax. Use taxes are imposed to minimize unfair competition
between sales made in-state and those made out-of-state. The use tax rate is
the same as the sales tax rate.
When does use tax apply?
Use tax applies when sales tax has not been charged. Purchases made over the
internet and out-of-state are the most common type of transactions subject
to a use tax
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If you read the second sentence, it says ALL states.
But just in case you still don't believe, follow these links
http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxforms/01-forms.html
http://www.window.state.tx.us/taxinfo/taxforms/01-156.pdf
State Sales and Use Tax is imposed on all retail sales, leases and rentals
of most goods, as well as taxable services.
Texas cities, counties, transit authorities and special purpose districts
have the option of imposing an additional local sales tax for a combined
total of state and local taxes of 8 1/4% (.0825)
If you Google Texas use tax you will get over 35,000,000 hits.
Steve W. posted on
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They even include a spot on your NYS tax forms just for this tax. If you
really want an audit leave it blank. Seems they don't believe that some
people don't buy off the net.
--
Steve W.
(___/)
(='.'=)
(")_(")
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We dont have a state income tax. That is probably why this is not yet a big
deal.
Our sales taxes are enforced at point of sale, and I guess they dont have
any good
way to make people pay taxes on goods sold over the net.
I really have no idea.
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No provincial taxes here, just GST. Government of Canada is pretty
greedy, you pay on you way back into Canada as they don't trust us and
will not wait. Last time I was through they were more worried if the
truck I was in had GST paid than if I had Osama Bin Ladden in the back.
Show them the reciepts and although I have usually used a personal
checque, I believe they now take Visa and Mastercard. Takes 5-10
minutes tops. 100% legal.
--
In Alberta, Liberals are like rats, not many of them around.
jr92 posted on
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The Goodyear tires that came with your vehicle should last FAR longer
than 14000 miles.
I made the stupid choice to not rotate the tires on my wife's 2006
Grand Prix, and paid the price.
Still, the front tires lasted 49000 miles,and the back ones still
have plenty of tread remaining.
Someone is feeding you a line. Check the owners manual in your glove
box. There should be a seperate tire manual with waranty information,
including info pertaining to wear waranty. If the local tire shops
wont help, maybe the dealer you bought the car from can. If he is of
no help, I would contact the regional GM manager in your area. Unless
there is some kind of problem with the car itself, or the tires were
neglected of abused, I would think you would be entitled to some sort
of pro-rating on a tire with only 14000 miles on it.
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