So...you're saying you think GM's exec's in Detroit are more likely to read this here, in this NG, than in their own paper? Face it. You're just another dirt bag trying to stir up shit in a GM group.
Dave
So...you're saying you think GM's exec's in Detroit are more likely to read this here, in this NG, than in their own paper? Face it. You're just another dirt bag trying to stir up shit in a GM group.
Dave
OK. Most of us don't have a lot of time for our cars to be in the shop any more. That's why I own a Toyota. Sure I could own a GM, but by the time I had 50,000 miles on my old S-10 it was already nickel-and-diming me on repairs, and seemed to be in the shop as much as it was out.
Charles of Kankakee
But there's a difference between being able to stop the line and being able to stop the line. Companies like Toyota and the old IBM (I don't know about them now) would have infinite tolerance it, but most imply there's a limit to it. With the latter my company tries to fool management with elaborate nonsense that essentially tells them to slow down production.
Ford and GM won't become like Toyota or Honda until most of the executives have worked on the production line.
But GM could.
Why? GM has no pride in America or Americans and hasn't created even one new net job in the U.S. in 20-30 years.
That's not what internal GM documents from the early 1990s said, the newest ones I know about.
Honda, Toyota, and maybe Subaru have made the overall Japanese quality tally better than Ford's or GM's, while Suzuki, Isuzu, and maybe Nissan have been nothing special.
And in 1985, Kmart was much larger than Wal-mart, while today it's 80% smaller.
What reason does GM have to exist? In other words, what can GM do better than anybody else, other than lobby the U.S. government for a bailout? Quality is good but not the best. Costs are high (even excluding health care and pension costs). Hours to produce each vehicle are high. Car designs are bad (but trucks are good). Corporate leadership is poor and clueless.
Trucks are shit too. We see 4-year old chevys and GMCs rusted through around here.
Ever see a Canyon up close? Plain, ugly, crude.
I owned a 95 S-10. It started rusting on the GAS TANK before I'd had it a year. Hinge pin on the driver's door, too.
Charles
and how many have you sat in on?
You forgot to say in my opinion, since the millions of the folks buying those millions of GM vehicles today disagree with your assesment. ;)
mike hunt
You had problem with your GM vehicle therefore all GM vehicles are bad, right? LOL
mike hunt
So, with all those sales, how's Ford doing?
S.& P. put Ford's debt rating two notches further into junk on Thursday, less than a month after a similar move at General Motors.
I'll leave GM's prospects to your imagination.
The point was those CV hold up better than ANY of the FWD vehicles tested for use in sever Taxi service, foreign or domestic. Any vehicle on the market today can easily run to 200K trouble free, given minimal maintenance. I own a half dozen old cars that are in great condition with anywhere for
110K to 300K on the clock.mike hunt
Hum Bullshit!
Currently Daimler Chrysler assembles all of their Dodge RAM trucks in Mexico. The so called new "Hemi" engine is also assembled in Mexico...
Would you care to check your facts and maybe restate your position?
You forgot to say in my opinion, since both GM and Ford sell millions more of their vehicles annually in the US than any foreign manufacture. You are entitled to your opinion, but obviously your opinion is that of a minority.
mike hunt
Lots of 'ifs' your post. The naysayers had Chrysler going out of business in the seventies and Ford in the eighties but they are both still here. LOL
mike hunt
Lets face it many buyers believe the brand they buy is the best, and the rest are junk, that is why they buy what they buy and more buyers by GM vehicles than any other. Ford and Chrysler follow and Toyota and Honda are forth and firth. Toyota owners in particular love to disparage other brands for some reason, perhaps they want to justify to themselves why they paid so much more to buy a vehicle that is nor better or worse than the others. LOL
mike hunt
Uhh, Hey Mikey, there are actually only 2 domestic automobile manufactures left in the US, Daimler Chrysler is a German company... Doh!
Thank is true but their share is shrinking every year.
No, apparently it isn't a minority. The complaints are massive.
Nobody gives a shit how many vehicles GM and Ford sell, Mike. Americans even bought the Yugo.
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