"By Michiyo Nakamoto in Tokyo
Published: December 22 2006 05:47 | Last updated: December 22 2006
Toyota is poised to surpass General Motors as the world's largest
automaker next year with plans unveiled on Friday to produce a record
The Japanese carmaker's leap to the top of the industry is a landmark
event that coincides with its 70th anniversary. GM, which has suffered
from weak demand in its home market, does not disclose production
forecasts but is expected to have produced about 9.17m vehicles this
Instead of developing more efficient cars and trucks GM elected to cry
about "unfair burden". Unfair burden indeed, no wonder Detroit has
fallen so very far behind Toyota/Honda/Nissan, etc. Apparently it is
easier for Detroit to whine, cry and bitch than innovate. GM is headed
straight down the toilet.
GM slams possible fuel economy changes
I doubt if GM still makes those you owned back then.. The Toyotas and
Hondas of old were not so great, as I recall. Why come into a NG to degrade
a brand you owned years ago? How can one compare what is on the market
today with what was sold even ten years ago. What will you buy when you
import breaks down and you have to pay a fortune for parts? My Lexus needed
a power steering pump and it cost $1,500 LOL
This is a good point. Seems that the coffee aroma has fianlly arrived.
Just in, Toyota has broken ground for a massive plant just across the
border into Canada. They are planning a major kill job against the American
Auto Mfg's and it may be too late for any kind of reach around.
Of course GM and Ford only know to do one thing in hard times and that
downsize with massive layoff's. What a pitiful bunch...
So, if I don't like the TV show "Survivor" and it is about to be taken over
by "Meduim", then I should go to the "Survivor" newsgroup and post that?
Wrong. If you don't like GM, then don't let the door hit your ass on the way
You are a better man that that, 80 Knight...
If you dont like the way GM is treating you, you use every avenue to tell
what is wrong... And I have done this, including contacting GM corporate.
In my personal life, if I dont like what one of my sons is doing, I tell him
out. I cant make him change, but I can use every avenue to get him to
Confrontation does not have to be evil or violent...It is a normal process
efforts gone wrong.
GM has increased the warranty terms.. That is a positive step, although it
help me with the expenses I have already shouldered for shitteaux quality
piss poor support.
I am open to people who admit that they need to improve. What I cant
is a company, or its people, who try to hide their mistakes. Get some
belly up to the problem, and become a supplier of products that people will
Regardless or Mi Kunts rantings, even though GM still sells a lot of iron, a
consumers are NOT happy.
That's the thing though. Do you honestly think anyone high-up in GM reads a
That is true. However, would yelling at your wife about your son's behavior
help your son at all? Not really. You need to go to the source. This
newsgroup is not watched by GM.
Agreed, but there is a difference between a friendly argument and people
who's only purpose in posting here is to annoy GM owners.
And you have a right to be pissed, and I can respect that. However, like I
said above, GM doesn't read this newsgroup, so how is bashing the company
I have family members who work at GM dealership's, and they will be the
first to admit that sometimes GM makes mistakes. So does Toyota, Honda and
Hyundai. This group used to be a nice place to come for help with a GM car,
or to discuss GM cars. Now, it's turning into a GM bashing group, and I
personally don't think that is right. If you don't like GM, that is your
opinion, and you have a right to have it, but bashing the company isn't
going to help.
Mike is a moron. I think that's safe to say. As for people not being happy,
from what I have heard of people on this group, no, some aren't. However,
there are also a lot of people who are. I for one have owned 9 GM vehicles.
All over 6 years old (the oldest was 18 years old), and all with over
200,000 KM's (except for the 18 year old car. It only had 86,404), and I
loved each and every one. I had a problem here and there, but usually
Why wouldn't they ? They can gain a lot of knowledge about what people
think about GM, what GM cars do and don' t do and what their customers feel
about the cars. I'd say it is a very important resource if they are really
concerned about fixing the company.
I also participate in a woodworking newsgroup. I do know that at least four
manufacturers and another two or three distributors of woodworking products
and machines monitor the group. They find it a very valuable source of
information. They are also, coincidently, profitable companies with a high
satisfaction rating from their customers. GM could learn from them.
If GM management does not take a peek here, they truly are idiots that do
not care about their customers.
If I started a newsgroup called 80 Knight, would you read it?
They probably do have people monitoring the NG as well as any enthusiast
sites that may exist, but they probably do not participate for liability
reasons (i.e. if their rep offered technical advice while just trying to
be helpful GM could be on the hook for damages incurred if the OP hurt
himself attempting to follow the well-intentioned advice.)
I've heard of mfgrs. monitoring NG's, fora, and even showing up at
dragstrips for more nefarious purposes, like cancelling the warranties
of people who raced their new vehicles, most notably one Japanese mfgr.
with a performance image yet a reputation for high warranty claims and
fairly terrible reliability/durability (bet you can't guess which one
I'm talking about)
replace "fly" with "com" to reply.
Well - that is the standard line when people try to suggest that executives
should monitor usenet. But - what that fails to acknowledge is that...
1) Those executives already know what is being said in groups like this.
There's nothing new and revealing in the postings and diatribes of usenet.
2) Good, bad, or otherwise, they aren't going to change things simply
because of the opinions found in a newsgroup. In many cases things are just
too complex for that kind of change, and in way too many cases the problems
came into being because of a management mindset that just didn't care. How
is a newsgroup going to change that? It's not. That change has to come
from the heart of the company.
3) There is more baseless bitching and unfounded misinformation floating
around the electron pool of usenet than there is valuable information.
There are a lot better sources of good information and feedback.
Yeah, but the only ones you really see involved are the smaller ones. Those
companies have a vested intererst in the wreck because the revenue stream
from the participants is significant to them. It's more of a specialty
area. Robin cares because there's probably 20 folks there who will buy from
him no matter what he sells because it's a religious thing. For the bigger
manufacturers and distributors, I doubt there is really as much monitoring
and interest as might appear - other than if an employee happens to hang out
at the wreck.
Like I said - what would they find out here that they don't already know?
The bigger issue now is to get rid of the management that believes it can
force its way on the consumer like AT&T used to and still get away with it.
It's time for updated management thinking at the American manufacturers.
It's time for a real appreciation for value and the business returns from
satisfied customers. Don't need no usenet newsgroup for that.
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