Toyotas & Honda

No longer true Mike, as usual you are wrong again. Ford now outsells GM... I told you it would happen, you just refuse to listen to common sense. My next prediction is GM will be #3 in monthly sales by the end of 2010.

But the list is for long term reliability. I know a few BMW owners that love the cars, but not the maintenance. My experience is limited, but last time I went to NYC with a friend in a Beemer, I took the train home, he took a tow truck. But they are lots more fun to drive than the Buick or Mercury

Here in North America we used to get the Lada, and also the Dacia (which was not Russian, but was eastern block))

We don't get anything Indian. Yet.

Depends who's going to have to pay for the maintenance/repairs.

I've always said anyone who thinks he's someone, or wants to show he's done well for himself needs to own one BMW and one Cadillac.

One of each will be enough!

No. I just said just because people continued to buy the crap didn't mean they were good - and that the theory GM must be making good cars because so many people continued to buy them was a flawed theory.

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Dacia and Logan are just stripped down Renaults, though owned by them, made for the eastern European market.

The Dacis's we got over here were versions of the R12 several years after the R12 went out of production with just enough changes that most parts ( at least those we checked) didn't fit our 1972 R12 Rallye car.

Again our friend Canuck57 is wrong. GM is still the top seller year to date. To say Ford has passed GM in sales based on one of two months is like saying the football team leading at the end of the first half is the winner. Ford may well out sell GM eventually, but GM is still number one today, dummy.

Get real, you answered you own question when you said no. Buyers do not continue to buy the same brand over and over if one or two that they owned was problematic, period

So how does it feel to be wrong again? And again?

Are you sure you didn't work for GM? You would fit in.

GM, #2 and fall> Again our friend Canuck57 is wrong. GM is still the top seller year to

Still living in the past are you...

Utter nonsense.

Can't be BS - even Consumer Reports note they have problems. "Reliabilty has dropped for some models." p15 April 2010 issue If you dig further in the issue (pgs 40-41), the specific models with problems are:

BMW 1 series BMW 5 series BMW X3 BMW X5

All are below average or well below average according to them. Not acceptable for a #1.

Derek

Sorry, I don't. They seem to be the equivalent of Consumer Reports here in the US, but I wasn't able to quickly locate any methodology info on the net.

Derek

why would merc be above ford?

The same reason Lexus is rated higher than Toyota. ;)

why would merc be above ford?

"Picasso" wrote

People pay more for the Mercury so they think it is a better car and report accordingly. Note that Lincoln is even higher.

If you look at the Zephyr, Milan, and Fusion, they all share a lot of components, including the people and machines that assemble them. I don't doubt the statistics as gathered by CR or J D Powers, but I do doubt the honesty of the people sending back those questionnaires. Sending back a poor report is saying "I made a poor choice in my selection of automobile"