Cadillac is on the mend, but with the Art&Science edgy design theme
established pre-Lutz and which he is said to hate.
The GTO was a pet project of his and has fizzled on the vine.
New Malibu ---- ugly.
New Impala ---- yawn.
Chevy HHR ---- 100% PT Cruiser knock off, including hiring the designer
away from Chrysler to do it!
New Pontiacs and Buicks ..... not selling any better than what they
Where is the beef?
He also said that the problem was you needed a dollop of 'classic' (I
think that was his term) and that one project (CTS) was too far along
when he got there, but he sent the designers back to work on the
If your arguement is that products under his watch are ugly and slow
sellers, then you certainly shouldn't have started with the Caddy brand.
I agree, but you and I liking it's looks doesn't subtract from it's
overall good design and quality.
I agree. I think this is the most disappointing car from Lutz's GM yet.
So. There are lots and lots of knockoffs. Do you buy only Chrysler
minivans? Everyone else is just making knockoffs of their original
works! Do you buy only a RAV4 because it was the first cute-ute
introduced in America?
In person the HHR is very pretty, with a great interior. I question the
timing, but they had to wait for the Cobalt platform to work with.
True, but their design and interior materials quality is light-years
ahead of where they were 2 or 3 years ago.
And you conspiciously left off the Cobalt. I don't know how it's
selling specifically, but that is a really, really good car that's a bit
boring to look at but 'clean'.
I think if you focus only on sales you miss the point. The changes Lutz
is making to the function of GM - the higher quality interiors, dashes,
etc - will pay off huge in the coming years. The achilles heel is their
chevy designs are a bit boring... while the best looking are stuck at
Buick (with low sales) or somehow just a bit anonymous looking while
being very attractive in person (the G6).
Have you taken a close look at both the PT Cruiser and the HHR?
When I first saw the HHR photos, I too thought "PT Cruiser knock off"
Then I went and took a close look at one. To me (and the wife) the HHR
is much better.
I agree with you and your wife. Overall, the HHR is superior to the PT
Cruiser which I have never really been a fan of.
Yesterday, I drove a 2005 Cobalt LT sedan. GM did a very, VERY good job with
the Cobalt. It seemed much nicer than my wife's 2001 Civic LX which is
basically the same as the 2005 Civic LX sedan. In fact, I was so impressed
with it that I am strongly considering selling my current sedan and
replacing it with a new Chevy Cobalt LT sedan. Here are some of the things
that impressed me about the Cobalt sedan that I test drove:
-Extremely quiet cabin for a car in its class. I was shocked at how quiet it
-Interior quality far superior to a Cavalier's. In fact, it was nicer than
many larger sedans' interiors that are in higher class segments. I thought
it was just as nice or nicer than my
2002 Lexus IS300 sport sedan's interior--and the car seemed a bit roomier
than mine as well. Not that mine is actually 'roomy'. :-)
-Smooth ride for a smaller sedan.
-Good steering and handling.
-Decent trunk space for a vehicle in its class.
-Peppy enough for a 4-cylinder engine.
-Phenomenal XM Satellite radio sound from a 7-speaker Pioneer sound system.
Crystal clear reception. BIG SOUND for a sedan this size.
-Clean, simple body lines and overall decent looks depending on which trim
package and options you go with.
-Fuel economy could be better for a sedan in the Cobalt's league.
-Smallish backseat with limited leg/foot space.
-Parking brake handle is located underneath the center armrest that pivots.
Screwed up engineering here.
-Resale value may be lower than some of the other cars' in this segment.
If you read what the MOPAR guys are saying about the new Charger you would
think they would jump at a chance to get a 2 door, Hi-Po V8, six speed rear
wheel drive car. And us GM guys are watching it die??? Wonder how we'll feel
when it's released as a 4 door with no manual transmission?
2002 Z28, 6 speed. I got mine:)
I think there are two problems with the GTO, first it is too expensive
for the average musclecar enthusiast, second the styling does not
excite. If it were 10K less expensive and had a little more panache
instead of looking like a warmed over Grand Am I think it would likely
sell like hotcakes.
GM blew it with the GTO, and Daimler-Chrysler DEFINITELY blew it with the
latest Charger as well!!! Two huge mistakes with a couple of vehicles that
been major winners for these two companies. Regardless of what we may think
about the retro Mustang from Ford, it has been a smash success from a sales
Yep, they managed to get that one right. I think that agressive
pricing has much to do with the latest Mustang success. They have also
proved that there is plenty of demand for two door cars if you hit the
right emotional buttons.
Hopefully Solstice will do well.
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