Will the Volt make it?

In the marketplace there are strong forces and if the Volt is to make it then there are several criteria it needs to fulfill.
a) it needs to be good
b) it needs to be all electric c) it needs to be affordable
a) We have to wait and see how good it will be and also to see if it will be the best. We already know about the Tesla and it is really good and that is hard to beat. Will it be better than the Tesla? The Tesla is already out there and has a proven quality. Quality brands have already made contracts with The Tesla like Toyota and Mercedes.
b) The first generation Volt does not seem to have an all electric version but there are rumors there will be.
c) There are already very affordable electrical cars out there and what I have heard about the Volt is not encouraging. Look at the new Nissan http://www.insideline.com/nissan/leaf/2011/2011-nissan-leaf-first-drive.html The 2011 Nissan Leaf is not a low-volume slice of automotive exotica like a Tesla Roadster, nor is it an electrified version of a conventional gasoline car like the Mitsubishi i MiEV, and it is certainly not a plug-in hybrid like a Chevrolet Volt or a conventional hybrid like a Toyota Prius. The 2011 Nissan Leaf is a brand-new, purpose-built, mass-produced, battery-powered family car and, as such, the very first of its kind in the world.
So the Volt is at a great disadvantage on all fronts long before it even comes out.
It fails on all fronts.
So can it survive by selling to some handful of die-hards and with heavy subsidies from the Taxpayers?
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I dont see that it has to be all electric to be successful. a) and c) certainly have to be there, though.
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You will eventually
You have to go all the way
Anything else than all electric is no change
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Anything else than all electric is no change
******** True, but I am not sure we are ready for all electric. If it starts out as a 40 mile charge system, I would say it would be a failure here. It would be my guess that only a very few enthusiasts would bite.
But I have been wrong before.
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The average trip distance, for the average driver in the US, is LESS than 40 miles daily and the Volt can travel that far on battery power alone. However the Volt can travel much father, but the generator will come on when the battery pack starts to loose voltage at around 40 miles and begin to use some fuel.
If one has say a one way 17 mile commute, he would never need to use any fuel and recharge overnight.
I have invested in a company that is working to installing plug-in "recharging stations." at malls, motels, apartment complexes etc., where rechargeable vehicle owners can plug in their vehicle at a parking meter type station, swipe a credit card and drive off.
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On 01/06/2010 9:24 AM, Mike Hunter wrote:

But it can't travel at full speed, the generator does not crank enough for 65 mph. And it can't charge it's batteries so if you need a quick 20 mile 65 mph freeway burst after a 5 mile get to your are screwed. More likely to have a semi honking his horn at your golf cart.
And that assumes the consumble battery is brand new. 2 or 3 years later...anyones guess but given they use a off shoot of laptop batteries, 2 hours new isn't like 10 minutes in three years.
And that is with A/C and lights off on a flat road.

Bet inside of 6 months the battery looses the ability to hold a charge enough that will not be true.

Another huge problem. If just 10% of the people chraged cars at night, the power grid would fail. The raw cost of materials for batteries will skyrocket.
Guaranteed loser.

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You are confused again, you don't have your facts correct as usual. LOL
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Many old car companies are trying to spread FUD and call hybrids electric but they are not.
There are already quite a few electrics that can go quite a distance on one charge.
There are a growing number of electrical posts where you can charge .
A quick charge stations will also come.
All in all there is a massive change about to happen.
The technology is here but there is a need for a new mindset and more production capacity.
The change is similar as going from mainframes to PCs.
The big expensive technology is being replaced by standardized small units.
The old car companies do not like this at all and are fighting it all the way.
The massive profits of every car from the past is history and very much better affordable transport is coming.
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You are confused like our friend Canuck57. Unlike a hybrid the Volt is motivated by its eclectic motors only, dummy

You will eventually
You have to go all the way
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Especially when one considers the Volt is good, all eclectically motivated and more than competitively priced with mid-sized hybrids. ;)

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Last I heard, $40,000 to $50,000 was the price tag.
Not very competative. If you bought a 50 mpg Tata nano for $4500 with A/C and say someone else bought a Volt for $40,000 lets look at a 3 year cost for say 45,000 miles bully maintained.
Tata Nano:
$400 in oil, maintenance. (User servicable) $3000 in fuel, 45 mpg @ $3 gallon $4500 capital cost ------- $7,900 $900 residual value after depreciation ------- $7000 TCO not including brakes and tires Cost per mile, 15.55 cents
Volt (Government Motors) $800 in service excluding consumbal battery (not user servicable) $7000 replacement after $3000 credit on new battery $1800 for gasoline @ 75 mpg average @ $3 gallon $1686 electric tax out, 562 charges @ 20kwh each over 45000 and 15 cents per kwh $40,000 capital cost interest and carring charges out -------- $51286 $15000 residual value -------- $36286 TCO not including brakes and tires Cost per mile, 80.63 cents
Hey, everythhing government costs more what can I say... they just keep on sucking.
GM is so full of shit on this, I will bet GM will not make money on the Volt ever.
I was easy on GM, I didn't get into A/C and heat that the Nano has, or the insurance differences. Or the fact is if you go 41 miles, the last mile will not be full freeway speed for the Volt.
The only reason to buy one is a museum item. "The Car no One Bought That Government Made". Either that or GM will need another $60,000++ per vehicle of taxpayers wealth like they did in 2009 to make them move, litterally.
GM, they keep on sucking.
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Once again our friend Canuck57 is telling us the sky is falling LOL

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On 01/06/2010 5:44 AM, hls wrote:

Agreed.
But how can 1 and 3 be achieved? Have two power plants to maintain, gasoline one and a decaying consumbale battery pack. I hear they are $10,000 retail. Even if you get them at government subsidized pricing you are looking at $5,000 ever 3 years.
Cheaper to buy a Zenn or get the representatives to let Tata Nanos in for $4,500 loaded. I hear China has a 4x4 for under $10k.
The number one cost of a vehicle is depreciation, not fuel. What do you think a 3 year old Volt is going to be worth?
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On 01/06/2010 6:55 PM, Jim_Higgins wrote:

Who knows, maybe even be a liability as that much toxic waste in the batteries, might have to have the government pick up the tab to dispose of them.
Wonder how much this farce is going to cost taxpayers?
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Try to keep up, ALL of the Japanese manufactures are subsides by the Japanese government and have been ever since WWII.
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Not a chance in hell that the Volt will make it. Might as well put one beside the Edsel, Geo or Vega.
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