1995 Honda Accord LX 5spd clutch

Ok, I have a 1995 Honda Accord LX with 115K miles with a 5 speed clutch living in NC. Last year, I drove it into the shop because I could not get it in gear,
especially 1st, but reverse seemed to be all right. The mechanic took the clutch all apart and could not find anything wrong with it, and it worked. Unfortunately for me, the next day, he told me that the clutch cylinder was leaking, and replaced both the master and slave clutch cylinder for $800. About a month afterwards, I was experiencing the same [but not as severe] problem, but it went away. I think he said the work was guareenteed for a year, but he put nothing in writting. Now, about 14 months later, I am having the same problem, the car will not let me push the clutch in gear, even reverse. Should I have him look at it. Obviously, he will find something else wrong with the clutch as well. This is my big question!! The dillemma I have is that I have been sinking $1+K/year into this car for the last five years. Some of it was to replace the timing belt at 70K as a preventative. Unfortunately, I let the dealer talk me into replacing the fuel pump, also as a preventative measure. Does it need that? I had the exhaust worked on 3 times by 3 different mechanics, most of them were crooks. Last month, the breaks needed to be changed. Three months ago, the CV joint and parts needed to be changed for $1K. At what point do I just scrap the car? I guess I should have scrapped it about a year ago. BTW, the AC has a leak, which cost me another $20 to have the AC recharged, not including the fact that I brought in my own coolant. I remember looking at www.ebay.com for parts. I think I can get more for the parts than at a junk yard, where I got $100 for a Plymoth Colt '91 with a problem in the exhaust and a deterirating clutch?
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Deodiaus wrote: <snip sob>
dude, find a decent honest independent mechanic. they exist. at this vehicle age, some expense is to be expected. once it's done, if the repair is honest and competent, it should last another 10 years. $1000 per year is still cheaper than depreciation on a new vehicle.
and don't post this stuff to all those other irrelevant groups, like alt.home.repair. pointless.
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Deodiaus wrote:

5 speed transaxle.

Sounds high for a master and slave replacement, but a leak at either *would* cause difficult engagement into gear.

You push the shift lever to select gear(s). You push the clutch to facilitate gear engagement. Which part wasn't moving properly, the clutch pedal or the shift lever?

Any possibility they suggested you replace the *water* pump? Yes, a water pump is a good idea to replace along with the timing belt on that vehicle.

Unnecessary and biased info with no supporting argument.

Likely the brakes. No surprise at ~115K miles.

Too vague to comment on cost or likelyhood the parts should have failed.

A 1995 manual trans Accord with only 115k *could* be in great shape if it was properly maintained. They are not money pits by design, rather very reliable cars.

Sounds scary. "my own coolant"? "$20"? How is this related?

What?
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The hand knob is hard to manipulate, and does not want to engage. The thing is I had this exact same problem last year, so would have expected the mechanic to have fixed it. Should I take it to a dealer who might be more familiar with the clutch on this particular vehicle? This year, it has cost me a lot more to repair this vehicle. I think I am pushing $2K already this year before the clutch job. The car is valued at $3K tops, especially because it is scratch up and the AC is leaking as well.
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Deodiaus wrote:

If it happens primarily going into 1rst gear and to a lesser extent 2nd gear, I would suspect the 1-2 synchronizer hub and rings are worn. This would require a fairly expensive overhaul to repair. On an Accord with 115K miles, I would guess lack of trans oil changes would be the cause of that. Second guess would be too many aggressive shifts with improper clutch timing. These are not known for wearing out that early in life.
Misalignment of main and counter shafts is a remote possibility, but you would probably have some horrible bearing noises to accompany the hard shifting.
Otherwise something wrong with the clutch pedal adjustment (RARELY needs to be tampered with on your vehicle) or a broken component somewhere in the clutch/hydraulic linkage could cause insufficient clutch release and resulting difficulty in shifting.

They will be able to diagnose it properly as would any competent mechanic. I trust you shop on price alone based on your previous comments, so good luck to you.
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Ok, the mechanic had me pump the clutch while he adjusted some controls on the front. He thinks there is still a leak, but it seemed to fix the problem for now. I should have asked him to demonstate, so that I could fix it myself. I didn't want to lean against the car because I was too well dressed today for automotive lessons. I'll see how this hold out. Does anyone know of any web pages or manual which describe how to do this? BTW, in 1979, I removed the transmission on a 1970 Dodge Dart. Too bad I could put another one back in place. I am competent enough to be dangerous. He is a neighboor auto mechanic, and I trust him somewhat. I try not to base these purchases based on price alone. I took my Accord to the Honda dealer, but felt that I was talked into the fuel pump. The real reason I have my apprehension is that I never heard of replacing that fuel pump, until the last posting regarding the water pump. BTW, if the water pump has failed, wouldn't that show up as the engine registering too hot. It seems that they should have an alarm for it. Another time years ago and far away, the problem with the exhaust was that I can't believe 3 mechanics needed to work on it before fixing it. The last one, I asked the parts when he was done, but he claimed that I told him to throw them out. That was BS. Unfortunately, I don't know if I could have gotten away from not paying. He knew where I lived, and believed he would do something like throwing a dead skunk through my living room window when I was away on vacation. His ex-wife once made a joke that he just cheats his customers, so was wondering if that wasn't a hint.
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Deodiaus wrote:

He probably added brake fluid to your clutch resevoir and bled some air out of the system. It sounds like you have a slow leak.

Anyone who knows what they are doing will recommend a new water pump when changing the timing belt on a 2.2l Accord. (assuming 4 cylinder based on manual trans) IF your original pump fails, it will destroy the new timing belt (it is driven by the timing belt). The labor of timing belt replacement and water pump replacement are combined so that it is cheaper to do them at once rather than at separate times. You don't have to take their recommendation, but they are giving you the opportunity to spend money wisely now based on their many experiences of original water pump failures occuring around 100K miles.
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Excellent advice,and I am glad that you set the record straight. But why is this not mentioned in the manual then?
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Deodiaus wrote:

understand Honda manual transmissions, the problem will go away.
Honda cars are among the most reliable autos on the planet, provided that you do not abuse them, and you take proper care of them.
I have a 93 Acura Integra with 245,000 miles on it. most recent tank of gas was 30.5 MPG. We've replaced the brakes once, time to do it again. We've done the 90,000 mile scheduled maintenance twice and its nearing time for the 3rd one of these. it uses less than a pint of oil between oil changes.
I agree with the other poster that suggested that you are unhappy with this car for other reasons (doesn't fit your image of who you are, too old, too ragged in appearance) and want a newer vehicle. Fix this one properly and it will give many many more years of fine service to some lucky owner.
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Actually, I would hope not. Years ago, Subaru had a commercial that said that "A car is metal, glass, and plastic, and if your car impresses your friends, you live amongst snobs." A quote I use all of the time. Unfortunately, the car is valued at $3000 tops, and scraped up with the AC gone (Im living in the South). I just don't want to be sinking money into something which is costing me more to maintain. I know it is a good car, but I swear I must have sunk $4K into it over the last 3 years. Secondly, it is hard to guage a mechanic. I trusted my old home town mechanic until his ex-wife called him a crook at a BBQ. Robert Gammon wrote:
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I know the feeling. I finally went from an '89 Prelude Si 5spd to an '05 Accord 5sp manual. Loved the Prelude but cost of maintenance was getting annoying, especially when unusual things go wrong.
After a year of driving the Accord, it's nice to not really worry about unusual maintenance and know the car is reliable. Just oil changes, rotate tires, etc. Have car payments now but the peace of mind is great. Also the a/c was out on the Prelude and other little minor things I knew had to be addressed sooner rather than later. I'm in Maryland and it's great to have working a/c again! (Also to defrost the windows).

I've discovered it's best to find a good mechanic/shop or dealership and stick to them. They're more willing to help out if something strange comes up.
-Dave
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I don't find $1k a year outrageous for car maintenance. My logic is; what could I buy for $1k a year that I would like as well. I drive old cars, my newest one is an '87 pickup. I seldom spend more that $1k per year on any of them, but I can do my own repairs. Sounds to me like you want a new car and are looking for support to justify the idea. As to the E-bay idea, A car is always worth more for parts even when they are brand new. When I worked at a dealership they took a new pickup apart and sold it over the parts counter @ 4-5 times the retail of the truck. But, it is a tremendous amount of work and if you are not mechanically inclined enough to replace a clutch cylinder, how are you going to do at taking one completely apart? I have problems getting things apart sometimes, and I have a lift, torches, air tools and a lot of specialty wrenches / tools.
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Deodiaus wrote:

I'll give you $101 for the Accord if you deliver it.
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RayV wrote:

I'll raise him to $104 and a jug of hooch.
And if I had a dollar for every time I've heard "the mechanic is a crook/trying to rip me off" I could buy a whole fleet of these aging civics.
-phaeton
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