I recently purchased a 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid and am very dissapointed in
the fuel economy. I am only getting an average of 40~42 MPG vs the
advertised 49~50. I was told by the dealer to let it break in and then the
milage will get better. I have over 900 miles on the car now with the same
MPG can vary a lot depending on many factors. The EPA says: "the EPA
rating is a useful tool for comparing vehicles when car buying, but it
may not accurately predict the average MPG YOU will get."
Welcome to the club. I have one that's two years old with 7000 miles
on it. I got the same BS from the dealer about break in. When I had
700 miles they said wait until 5000, when I had 5000 they said " Just
what mileage do you expect"? I told them I would be happy in the
low 40s. After two years, I have never seen more than 34 in town.
On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:52:54 -0500, "Flyifyoucan"
Driving it 3500 miles per year is not conducive to good milage in my
experience. In fact, with such little use I would question the wisdom
of buying any new car, much less a hybrid. At the rate you are
driving, even if you were getting 40mpg instead of 30 mpg, you would
only be saving about 30 gallons per year.
For the longest time (25,000 miles), we averaged about 43 mpg combined
(70% hwy, 30% city) with our "04 Civic hybrid. As of late (and
mainly due to a change in driving techniques, I might add), we are
averaging around 46 mpg. There is some truth to the "break-in" claim,
but the best way to save fuel is through modifying your driving
Check out this site for info on actual mileage results from other
owners, as well as driving tips for maximizing fuel economy:
Thanks, Spaz_pop Great Site. I'll have to register my Accord, which
is my second Honda Hybrid. I had a Civic CVT, but my wife didn't like
the small car ride. Nor, since she was brought up with a 4-speed
could she ever get over/use to the "slipping clutch" feel of the CVT.
On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:27:34 -0500, Spazpop2000
We're batting around the idea of an IMA Accord as well; mileage isn't
as great as it could be (if they offerd it as a 4-cyl vs. the 6-cyl),
but it's also nice having the extra power and cabin space.
Did you buy an '05 or '06? I'm curious as to the reduction in EPA
mileage estimates on the '06 vs. '05- it wouldn't seem that the extra
80-90 pounds that a spare and sunroof adds would decrease mileage by
that much. There are claims that it is just matter of weight class;
the extra poundage kicked it into another class, which reduced mileage
I did take an '06 for a test drive on the perimeter around Athens,
Ga.- got it up to 65, set the cruise control, and let it run for 15
miles. It averaged 38.6 mpg on the gently rolling terrain. Mieage
was much worse in the stop/go traffic back to the dealership,
I have outfitted my '05 with a spare at mucho $$$$. Currently getting
the EPA 29 "in town" but that is not a lot of true stop and go.
Pretty straight shot to work on a limited access at 55, but the humps
are enough to drop it out of 3-cyl mode. I get over 37 mpg on
interstates from your neighboring state to the west traveling to the
neighbor in the east to see the grandkids.
Sunroof would have been nice... I think the calculation method for
hybrids was or is changing to assure the same charge in the battery at
the finish as at the start. (Not sure if it was a requirement in the
I wish I still had the Civic, also, for around town, but the wife
would not let go of having a (German) American car and trade hers in.
If I could only have one and it was my trip car - I take the Accord.
The Hybrids are status not $$$ savings, anyway, for the next 5 years -
no matter whose it is. Maybe then the cost penalty will lessen and
the technology will improve.
On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 17:30:40 -0500, Spazpop2000
Well, I guess it's a moot point now; with the increase in MSRP on the
'06, coupled with the limited supply (and thus the unwillingness of
dealers to move on the price), the IMA Accord is just too pricey for
us now. So, we'll keep the '04 IMA civic and enjoy our newest
purchase...an '06 Audi A3.
So, I guess we have a couple of things in common; although my wife has
the hybrid and I have the German car...
I have yet to find anyone who actually achieves the fuel economy with
their hybrids that the "EPA" numbers suggest. Somehow or another the
car companies, Honda included, are gaming the process.
The break-in argument is a smoke screen.
Very few people have achieved the EPA numbers since they were developed
three decades ago. That's why the disclaimers that the numbers are for
comparison purposes only and that your mileage may vary.
That said, our 2002 Prius is usually within 10% of the estimates in decent
weather; upper 40s to lower 50s around town and roughly the same on the
freeway. Cold weather takes a toll, and today's freeway speeds no longer
match the EPA test conditions.
My 2003 Civic got an overall 40 to 41 (grand total during ownership)
with High 30's in town and 44 to 45 on the interstates. If I stayed
at 55 mph then I could get 48 on the highway. LIke Mike, within 10%
if you always behaved.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 05:58:20 -0700, "Michael Pardee"
Hi / I also just recntly purchased a honda civic hybrid 2006. great
car, but I am not yet overly impressed my the mileage i get in town
(note though that the twon is mexico city, and the high altitude
(around 7000 ft) might have an influende.
But perhaps jdsnipes could tell readers a secret or two how to hande
the hybrid. Is it worth paying attention to not using the aircondition
a lot?, does it make sense to try and keep the battery full? is i
better use the breaks or the lower gear when driving downhill? how
"soft: should one best accelerate ?
I am sure that driving patterns matter, but which exactly are best
suited to the hybrid?
By the way, I never ever seem to have had the electric motor only move
the car forward.., even when rolling at low speeds..
is there a trick to make this happen??
I added an old post below, also.
1) The current crop of Honda's never move on electric only. The
engine must always be running.
2) As I explain below, I do get the rated mileage on the Accord but
was between 5 and 10 % under epa on the Civic.
3) As you coast you will see it start charging (called regeneration or
regen mode), then as soon as you touch the brake, you will see it
increase the regen and with significant braking pressure the
regeneration goes to maximum. So, in general, the care and feeding of
the battery will take care of itself. Even when living in a mountain
state where you MUST use the engine on long downhills and PUMP the
brakes, remember BRAKE PADS ARE CHEAPER THAN ENGINES. The brakes are
usually the better primary means for passenger autos.
If you know you are going to climb a long hill, then yes it is better
to have a full battery to start, but there are limited, if any, things
you can do that are worth doing. If you need the electric boost to
have sufficient total horespower, then maybe going out of the way to
charge the battery first has some merit, but very little. Once the
battery is gone, hill climbing capability gets pretty poor in the
Civics with CVT. Not a problem in the Accords.
Other than that here is what I think of the Accord:
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