"Elmo P. Shagnasty" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news.eternal-september.org:
No, but it does--rather rapidly--collect lots of water, gas, and acids when used for a large number of short trips.
You can never change your oil too often for the good of the engine, especially as the engine ages.
Unquestionably Confused wrote in news:4f47e3af$0 $4326$ snipped-for-privacy@newsreader.readnews.com:
The dealership's owners are running a business. They need collect money however they can. It's up to the savvy car-owner to know how to get around their efforts. It doesn't take much savvy, either: Everything is in the Owner's Manual.
Ignorance is expensive, folks.
yup.
Not at all.
On the other hand, you are clearly afraid of going anywhere that you're not protected from those evil people doling out the facts that you don't want to hear.
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what is it with you and the epa tegger? did someone drive to canadia in an epa vehicle and run over your cat?
yeah, robbed of your recreational oil changing schedules.
True, if that's what you're doing.
But modern oils are ever more tolerant even of that kind of use.
Glad you qualified that! "...for the good of the engine". That is, the engine won't respond negatively to frequent oil changes. No question.
au contraire - they're just as polluted with ignorance as usenet, if not more so. at least on usenet, you can say if someone's got it wrong. and why. and no idiot moderator who doesn't know what they're talking about can stop you.
from what i've seen, they're /mostly/ dumb posters.
by definition. it's retarded.
to paraphrase franklin, they who will give up essential usenet liberty to obtain a little temporary safety on web boards, deserve neither liberty nor safety...
like weekly? daily? hourly? superstitiously? what "analysis" do you have for that statement tegger?
what a crock of utter and complete recreational oil changer, analysis ignorant bullshit. you've been given all the facts on that topic countless times, but you've "moderated out" any ability to learn the facts.
nice. I'm stealing that one.
Well, as you rip into Tegger, would you care to clarify just what it is you're saying is based upon ignorant bullshit?
The only thing he said that allows for wiggle room is "collects lots of water, gas and acids" Is that what you're whining about?
I don't think so, since you rant on about "Weekly, daily, hourly" and his point was simply that changing the oil more frequently than recommended would do no harm TO THE THE ENGINE. I defy you to provide us with "facts" that support your apparent claim that frequent oil changes will be the doom of the engine. How can changing out the engine oil - let's just say on a monthly basis with, say, 2,000 miles racked up on the odometer - going to harm your engine unless you forget to replace the drain plug and drive off down the road? It won't, it can't. Them's the facts, Jack
let's do a little logic exercise...
how often do you fuel your car? is it:
a. when the gauge is nearing empty? b. when assessing your next journey against the remaining fuel on the gauge and determining the need to fill before you leave? c. whenever you see any gas station? d. wtf is a "gauge"?
tegger's inane ramblings are a "d". he pays no regard to the countless man-hours and decades of research done by people with multi-billion dollar machine investments at stake, like aerospace, military and the transportation industries, that all "gauge" their oil by analysis. analysis that keeps their investments running with the maximum possible reliability.
tegger ignores all that - even the advice of the vehicle's own manufacturer. instead, he regurgitates what is simply superstitious nonsense - he has /zero/ basis!
as for /your/ inability to filter real fact from faux, inability to not get suckered in by trivia, and inability to do half a moment's worth of logical thinking, well, i'll just wish you good luck with it.
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Nice exercise. Rather than deflect, why not answer the question? WHAT HARM IS CAUSED TO THE ENGINE by changing the oil sooner (whether daily, weekly, every 200 miles, 800 miles or...) That was what you attacked, that is what I asked you to explain.
If your train of thought is easily interrupted, let's play with YOUR example, above.
Assuming I'm refueling with the proper fuel, what does it matter (to the engine) if I refuel under condition a), b), c) or...?
If you dispute something that Tegger says, go for it. Don't sit there and blabber about him being wrong when he says that "the engine will not be harmed by changing the oil too often" unless you have some evidence of same (and good luck with that).
OTOH, if you want to ridicule him if his habit is changing the oil in his car every five miles, then go for it. I'd agree. That's stupid, but it's not going to hurt his engine - only his pocketbook and the environment.
Oil doesn't break down sitting there.
Indulge me. At age 70, the S2000 brings back memories of an XKE back in the mid 60s, a Sunbeam Tiger, a TR4 -- Corvettes (C3). So, I take a little more care of something that brings back great memories. And, lest you think otherwise, I do run it up to the VTEC but not past the 8000 redline . In other words, I do drive the car. In fact, the S2000 reminds me very much of the CB750 I bought in 1970-- except the S2K handles better.
Oh, I can indulge you.
But it's not the 60s anymore, and engines and their oils are *very* much advanced compared to your XKE days.
As is pointed out elsewhere, at least you can't *damage* your engine by changing the oil too frequently. The only damage you'll do is to your pocketbook and the environment--but that can be said about any hobby.
Oh, I can indulge you.
But it's not the 60s anymore, and engines and their oils are *very* much advanced compared to your XKE days.
As is pointed out elsewhere, at least you can't *damage* your engine by changing the oil too frequently. The only damage you'll do is to your pocketbook and the environment--but that can be said about any hobby.
And, the XKE took 10 qts of oil which it burned or used at about 250 miles to the qt.
it's not deflection - it's asking you to exercise some logical analysis. consider it getting out of the woods so you can see the trees.
oil lubricity can actually /increase/ as it begins to carry a particle load. dags on this group to see where this has been debated before.
and if you really want to be anal, you can discuss the contamination introduced each time you take off the filler cap and drain plug and filter. but let's not dwell on that...
but the real point is the gauging. your car is fitted with a fuel gauge, and hopefully you use it rather than stop at every available gas station. modern cars are now fitted with oil usage gauges. all you or tegger have to do is use it. and if your car is not fitted with a "smart gauge" so to speak, then you use the mileage interval gauged by the manufacturer when they did their reliability testing.
you've just swallowed a red herring - hook line and sinker.
red herring. use the gauging provided.
Not to mention there was always a puddle under the radiator...
Ah, how youth so fondly remembers the high mainenance ones...
Not to mention there was always a puddle under the radiator...
I was stationed (USAF) at Laredo AFB at the time -- in Summer you could not make it past the 3rd traffic light without overheating. If you put in a higher pressure radiator cap (9lbs) you risked leaking freeze plugs. Great on the road though. The Jag weighed around 2500 lbs -- less than a Civic.
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