Accord 4 cyl vs. 6 cyl

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porsche or something /substantially/ faster than a vtec honda, there's no way you'd be complaining of this car being a slouch. seriously, if the car is as bad as you say, there has to be something wrong, for instance, the kick-down on the automatic should not be significantly delayed. if yours has a problem with slow downshift, it needs fixing.
jb, thanks for your thoughtful response. Perhaps this "lack of acceleration" thing is more just in my head than anything else. Perhaps my expectations are too high and unrealistic. Perhaps I think my car is a slouch because I know my car is a 4 and not a 6. Know any good car shrinks?

it been like that? have you had anything replaced like oxygen sensor or thermostat? low grade after-market components affect performance. and have you had the egr system cleaned? does it hesitate? has the air filter been changed any time recently?
My radiator cracked near the cap and leaked coolant but I caught it right away and had it replaced. The Honda dealer who replaced it said it was just "normal part failure" which he said occurs in about 1 in 10 Accords. He said I did nothing to cause it. I do change the air filter frequently and it was done when I had the tune-up with valve adjustment a few months ago. I have not had the egr system cleaned...that's a good point.

mileage by honda standards. and the engine technology is not that retarded. a friend has a stock accord vtec your vintage with /many/ more miles. when driving that car, i'm much more concerned with keeping my licence than i am about whether it's a 6.
In fairness to my "Honda specialist"...heh heh!, they did not recommend the tune up with valve adjustment and muffler replacement as a repair solution to my "check engine" light problem. That work needed to be done anyway and I did not even mention the "check engine" light problem to them as I didn't think it to be that serious at the time, based on what I knew then. I was only mentioning that work to potentially eliminate them as causes of my C/E/L problem. The place I go to actually has an excellent reputation among Honda owners and many get their work done there instead of at any of the 5 Honda dealers in town.
Thanks again, you've given me some good info. and some good places to start.
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Either your car has something wrong, or you simply can't anticipate traffic properly. I had a '91 Civic 1.5 and very little on the road touched me in it. It never set the world alight, but really - 99.998% of people drive like they have Ms Daisy in tow ....
FYI, yes, it was a manual (auto's are for American's and those that like bumper cars ;p), but that's not really the point. When I go home and occasionally borrow my Mum's 1 litre Yaris, I still stay ahead of virtually all traffic - even when joining the motorway (just forget 50-90mph acceleration or going up hills).
Learn to drive better or get your car serviced/traded in. One's at fault ....
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I'll never forget the day I was in my 92 Civic Si, at a traffic light, next to a big Caddy.
The light turned green, he wanted in my lane, and.....despite his trying from the moment the light turned, he had to settle for getting in behind me.
Who'd a thunk it. A 92 Civic Si beats a big V8 Caddy off the line and down the road.
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

you got to spend a /whole/ lot of extra cash to find anything that'll beat it! whole lot of extra cubic inches too...
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Mine was stock from the day it was new, and I probably had 40K miles on it by the time this incident happened--if not more.
Oh, yeah, it knew all about the redline. I see no need to baby a Honda 4 cylinder engine. That car is alive and well today, with 137K on it; my nephew has it.
It still has the original clutch, too.
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Yup - had mine for 7 years and redlined it almost every time I drove it. Distro bearings exploding was the only "breakdown" it had in all that time. At the end of the day, there are any number of cars, driven hard, that will beat it. I timed it around 10-11 secs to 60mph, which ain't nippy. But first and second gear just nailed most cars. On the motorway, it was waaay underpowered and that of all things pissed me off the most. Dropping to 60mph in traffic then having to wait again while the next 30-40mph slowly approached ...
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al wrote:

my crx dx was faster than that. had 305k on the clock too.

there's lots of little things that can improve the overall running of that car. for my 89 civic, the most remarkable difference was the quality of the oxygen sensor. new oem is the way to go, by a /long/ way. other little things, other than the tuneup stuff that needs to be done include, decent oil, decent filter, clean pcv valve, new thermostat, clean injectors, throttle linkage [make sure it opens all the way!] and something all too frequently overlooked, brakes!!! i overhaul my brake calipers every time i fit new pads. that way, they release fully and there's /no/ wasted energy. closing the windows at higher speeds helps too!

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jim beam wrote:

forgot to mention, having the timing belt tensioned properly helped too - when i got this car, because i'd never bothered to check, the timing belt was way loose*, so timing was bouncing around a lot. correct tension made a great difference to the car as the timing, both ignition & valve, was now on spec.

* to give you an idea /how/ loose, when i took the timing cover off and turned the motor clockwise, the wrong way, to get the crank to tdc, i watched the timing belt skip a tooth!!! how it had never skipped in the 10k miles i'd had it before then, i'll never know.
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Good advice ... but I'm long rid of it thankfully ;) Have an ATR now ... much quicker! BTW, old Civic, being a Jap import, had A/C as standard, so no need to worry about windows being open :)
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Oh I dunno ... 7k on a (quite poor) TVR Grif 5.0 would beat it by about 6-7 seconds up to 60mph I reckon ;)
But then I suppose a '91 Civic these days probably only fetches about 2k for a good example (mine was a Jap VTi model) so valid point re: the cost difference.
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Vikings Fan wrote:

Thanks, Mr. Tice. I was wrong; I didn't pay attention. I apologize. I was not being snide at all when I said "clear enough?" I wasn't sure I was being clear.
Your pal, Daunte
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"Howard Lester" wrote:

clear.
Now how could I not like a post like that.
Signed,
Troy Williamson
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"Vikings Fan" wrote

:-) See? I mean no harm - none at all. I'm most concerned that you are happy with your car and can make the most out of it. Sometimes my 2004 4-cyl doesn't get off the line, and what it takes sometimes is manually downshifting so the torque? is up and ready for action.
Now the hard part -- I have to admit... I've been a Giants fan since 1954. <ducking>
Howard
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4-cyl doesn't get off the line, and what it takes sometimes is manually downshifting so the torque? is up and ready for action.
Sorry Howard, I guess I have a bit of a hair trigger sometimes. It's also hard to judge tone sometimes when reading an online post. Your advice made sense when I viewed it a second time.

I have relatives in New York who are huge Giants fans and they have been giving me quite a bit of grief about how the Giants have had the Vikings number the last few years. They quote the 41-0 playoff score of a few years ago quite regularly. I tell them this year will be different...we finally have a decent defense. We'll see on November 13, 2005 when the Vikes and Giants tangle yet again. I don't think I'm confident enough to bet. <g>
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"Vikings Fan" wrote

Neither am I!!! (on the Giants!) :-)
Enjoy your car. See, it never occurred to me to downshift an automatic in traffic, but a fellow on rec.autos.honda suggested it to me, and I'm grateful for it. You'd THINK a good automatic would take care of those little things, and it doesn't. We still have to think.
Howard
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the east coast and most of the midwest. I currently live in Texas and don't have any trouble merging or holding 80+ (no lectures, please).
See no need for a 6, expecially in light of today's (and tomorrow's increasing) fuel prices.
Herb
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Have to disagree there - 6 cylinders would be more comfortable and give better low end torque. As for petrol prices, please, don't make me ill!! You're from Texas right? Land of free (never mind polluting the rest of the planet) oil?? ;p
May as well enjoy petrol cars while we can - your government (and plenty of others) will use up the rest of the world's oil before the next generation take over! That and big brother monitoring the roads so that even a few seconds exceeding the speed limit will see people fined. I really do wish some propellerheads would come up with a lightening quick alternative to internal combustion ...
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Joe,
My wife just bought 2005 EX 4cyl w/leather auto. Since she has been driving Nissan Altima's for a long time I was concerned about the 4 cyl giving her enough get up and go since Altimas have a high revving engine or so it seems. I had her test drive it twice, local and getting on highway and she said it was fine. She has had it for two weeks now and loves it.
I drove it the other day on 95 in Ct to NY and didn't feel that there was any problem power wise. Certainly not as much off the line as my car but I had no complaints. What do I drive to compare, 2004 Acura 270 hp TL, so I should have felt way underpowered, I really didn't. So being what gas is now adays the 4 seems to be a good alternative.
George in NY

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Funny but after reading the several reports here about how little (if any) difference there was in accelerating with the 4-cyl vs. 6-cyl, I thought maybe the 4-cylinder might be a lot lighter. But it's not:
2005 Accord EX automatic trans, 4-door Sedan (per Edmunds.com):
V-6, 3 L, 240 hp, 21/30 mpg, curb wt. = 3389 lbs 4-cyl, 2.4 L, 160 hp, 24/34 mpg, curb wt. = 3200 lbs
Perhaps all those horses under the hood are for people who really like to accelerate? Anything over, say, 120 hp (a guesstimate based on personal experience) for cars this weight is overkill for ordinary driving folks?
Elle Original owner, 1991 Civic, about 90 hp, if I recall correctly.
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Your comment about "how little (if any) difference there was in accelerating with the 4-cyl vs. 6-cyl" is not really correct. It may be reflecting some drivers' seat of the pants perceptions, but the many tests in automotive magazines and Consumer Reports say otherwise. For example Road and Track tests show a 0 to 60 time for the Accord EXV6 of 7.3 seconds for the automatic and 6.3 seconds for the 6 speed manual transmission. These are significantly better than the results for the 4 cylinder Accords. You (and anyone else) are free to check out the figures on line or in your local library.
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