air filter at 18k miles?

Took my 2010 Accord in for B1 service, dealer says I need $120 worth of cabin and engine air filters.
Total ripoff or what?
J.

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Yes
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What does your Owner's Manual say?
Are those filters included in the B1 service?
Part of the utility of the Owner's Manual is the schedule definitions that were helpfully included by Honda. Not that anybody actually reads them, of course...
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I don't have the manuals here, but apparently the rule of thumb is 15k to 30k miles, and they are not standard B1 service.
Nor, apparently, are they included in the optional Hondacare contract.
But I'm doing nothing but suburban driving, I would expect them to last on the long end, not the short end, of such a range. But googling around, apparently it's not all that shocking to find them "dirty" even at the short end. So, my guess is the dealer is being a little aggressive about it, but maybe not outrageously so.
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Then refuse the replacement. The dealer is trying pad his margins.

These engines draw so little air for the surface area of the filter that the filter would need to be /exceedingly/ filthy to affect air flow.
The old carbureted V8s used to draw so much air that you could tell by the sound of the intake when the filter was getting clogged. And the filter could look fairly clean and still be clogged enough to reduce air flow.
Yours are just dandy. Leave them until Honda says to change them.
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well, they put a couple of dirty ones in a bag and gave them to me.
I suppose if these were really mine, they look dirty enough to offer to replace. Just how dirty they have to be to matter, I dunno - the service droid was at pains to tell me it wouldn't hurt the car if I left them in longer.
Car on lease, for better or worse I'd like to have the dealer do all service, which should be minimal over three years.
And I might not be back to the dealer for another six months for the next oil change. All in all ... marginal, but I guess OK.
J.
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True, they are wear items.
Who defined that "rule of thumb"?
If they are not standard B1 service items, are they mentioned AT ALL in the service schedule?
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I forget where I was (probably taking one of my kids to a practice for something) and one of the moms there asked me what I was reading. I showed it to her and she asked where I got them. Told her form the glove compartment and she should check hers.
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Have a Toyota but ran into the same kind of push by the Dealer--They wanted about $140 total for installing air filter and cabin air cleaner. Aftermarket costs are about $16 ea (On-Line) and maybe about $35 ea at the Dealer's. Both are relatively easy to install on my car. Check You Tube for some videos on how to change them on your Model. MLD
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Yeah, that service writer is ripping off management. He didn't even mention the blinker fluid.
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On 3/22/11 7:41 PM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

Actually there's no need to change the blinker fluid all.
Just pick up a can of any of the brand name blinker fluid additives/life extenders at your favorite auto supply store. Put about two ounces in the blinker fluid reservoir fill tube when you do an oil change.
Check your owner's manual for the reservoir's location. Some are a bit hard to find-- and a bitch to get access to.
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On 3/23/11 9:44 AM, Jason Bourne wrote:

And don't forget to grease the muffler bearings...
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Honda specifies that you must use only Genuine Honda blinker fluid. Aftermarket fluids will damage the blinker system.
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But what about the bottle of additive they put in at every oil change?
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On 3/23/2011 2:32 PM, Tegger wrote:

Which is really strange. They specify only the Genuine Honda parts and fluids in most cases yet in the case of fallopian tube relinings, they make no recommendations.
Fickle... that's what they are, fickle!
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Fallopian tubes are not remanufacturable, that's why.
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Which is why many dealers charge $180 for that.
Oh--that plus they use the special blinker fluid, the synthetic kind, with long-life additives.
Nonetheless, blinker fluid change intervals remain the same.
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Pretty much. But the dealer is not alone. I was amazed to be quoted $32.00 for the cabin air filter from an independent parts shop. And the damn thing was just a piece of accordian filter paper, without even a proper frame.
It doesn't take much to add up to $120.00 at a dealer:
Air Filter - $18.00 Cabin Air Filter - $32.00 Crazy Dealer Labor - $70.00
It you are somewhat mechanically inclined, shop around and replace them yourself. But look at yours first. They may only need a shake out rather than a replacement at that low a milage, especially the cabin filter.
Oh, I find that mixing honey and canola oil in a 50/50 ratio makes a very affordable blinker fluid.
Bob
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Shaking out the engine filter is not a good idea. In fact overly frequent changing of the engine air filter is no only unecessary, it may actually let more dirt into your engine than serviceing a filter as specified by the owners guide.
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