Another sign of GM's desperation

You are confusing US sales with international sales that include markets in which GM does not operate. GM out sells all other Manufactures in the US, domestic or imports

mike

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Merely stating a fact, GM out sells Toyota in the US

mike

After my ten years is the fleet service business that serviced thousands of vehicles every month of just about every brand, I can tell you our years of record show there is no significant difference from one brand to another. Every manufacturer is making great vehicles today. The only real difference is style and price. After a dozen Toyotas and Lexus, I personally no longer buy imports because they simply cost too much more than the domestics I now buy. I do not own a GM vehicle.

Toyota should be worried more about the Koreans than the US manufactures. They are the ones that compete with Toyota in more of the worlds growing markets. They are building great cars that sell for thousand less in those markets

mike

Not so, they are not MUCH greater but rather closely bunched together. If you look at all of the surveys of owners problems, not as the 'list' that they are presented, but as the percentages they actually represent, you will discover they ALL have a failure rate of around 2%. 2% is the average failure rate for all industries, that is why ALL products offer a warranty. The question one should ask is, do I really want to spend 20% to 30% more to buy a particular brand in the hope I will NOT get one of THEIR 2% that are problematic?

Any brand one buys new today will easily run well over 100K or more before needing a major repair. One should therefore compare shop rates, part prices and the availability of parts, if they plan to keep a vehicle longer than the US average new cars buyers regimen of three to four years, or 60 to

80K on the clock before they buy another new car, since all manufactures today warrant their cars drive train for longer than the average trade time/mileage that buyers keep their cars

Since I switched for Lexus to domestics in 1999, I have saved thousands when buying another new car and hundreds annually on the prices I pay to have them serviced at the dealerships

mike

That assumes they develop the marketing strategy of having competitor products in a vacuum. If they don't have it yet, they will have an ad campaign that challenges Toyota and Honda buyers to stop by and look at the Aura, or whatever it is.

They don't need to attract all of the Toyota and Honda buyers out there, they only need a few of them. All they want if for some guy to say, "Gee honey, the new Saturn looks kinda nice, let's go look at one." When they get to the lot, "Look honey, they even have the other cars we were considering. We can drive two or three cars right here! Isn't THAT cool?"

Maybe they settle on the Accord instead of the Aura, but that is the chance that Saturn is taking.

Really? It would be quite a trick for GM to be ahead of Toyota by "several million vehicles, year to date" since GM has only sold

1,220,781 vehicles in the US as of April 30. Toyota sold 816,312 vehicles in the US during the same time frame.

So GM might outsell Toyota by about 1.2 million vehicles in the US this year. But if you look at the trend over the last four years, Toyota could surpass GM in US sales in 2009 or 2010.

Here are my references:

Where are yours?

Don't worry, Mikey has never been one to let facts get in the way of his desired conclusion.

Jackpot, your last paragraph needs no further explanation.

Oh my...

Natalie

IMO, it is a gutsy move and, it may just work. Just that fact they have the balls to do such a thing will get some attention and it may be what gets people into the showroom.

he he ...Mike Hunt...he...he....Mike Oxwelling...he he..

Guess what Mike, the whole world matters to a business, not just the USofA.

Mike, I'm in Australia and in my humble opinion Korean-made cars are crap, particularly the Daewoo models that are going under the GM badge. Unless you're getting a different build Korean car in the US then I suspect you may be smoking something.

"simon" ...

He's actually a resident Toyota NG troll who lives in his own little fantasy land. He does not help the cause of promoting domestic cars. He's the worst enemy in that regard, because he never has facts to back up his bullshit.

Hell, he doesn't even bother to chime in when we *do* praise certain domestic vehicles. He only shows up to try to discredit any praise we have of Toyotas, or amplify any problems we may have (and yes, Toyotas have problems that we're not blind to).

If you want a more reasonable discussion regarding domestic vs. foreign vehicles, I suggest other posters. This one will never admit he's wrong about anything. Ever.

Natalie

Thanks Natalie, don't we love those fantasy land types (GWB is another one)

Naturally you are entitled to you personal opinion. Daewoo cars does not exist, at least in the US. The cars made in the former Daewoo assemble plants in Korea, that are sold by GM in the US are Suzuki models. The Korean brands sold in the US are Hyundai and KIA. Hyundai cars outrank similar Toyota and Honda models in survey done in the US.

Hyundai dealers recently allowed customers to ran a comparison test drive, between their car, a Civic, Corolla and a Focus. All were equipped the same. The price difference among the four cars from the Corolla down to the Hyundai was $5,100. The Corolla was the most expensive followed by the Civic, Focus, Sonata.

I personnly do not drive small cars and I no longer buy import brands but the question for one who does should be, is a Corolla worth 30% more to me than a Sonata? Particurally when the Hyundai has a 100K warranty and the price differance will buy ALL of the fuel for a Sonata for the three to four year the average American new car buy keeps their car before buying another new car.

Courier fleets use hundreds of those as well as Neon's, Corollas, Focus, VW, Civics and others. Courier cars are generally run around the clock and easily accumulate 100K or more a year. They remain is service from three to five years.

mike

You are entitle to you own opinion but your statements are not factual. I have always said Toyota make great cars. I have also said, from what I've seen in my many years in the business, every other manufacturer today is making great cars as well. If pointing out that Toyota have problem on occasion make me a troll in you mind them I'm a troll but the fact is EVERY manufacturer makes some that are not up to snuff on occasion, the average for all manufactures including Toyota and Honda is around 2%, that is why they all offer a warranty, even Rolls Royce. You in the Toyota and Honda NGs, who cross post to domestic brands NGs to denigrate their vehicles, and praise those you buy, are the real trolls.

Our records over the years show the only real difference is style and price. I never suggest to anybody that the buy a particular brand, domestic or foreign, but rather that they drive ALL those that suit their needs, get a total drive home price for each and buy the ONE that suits their budget.

I do not own a GM vehicle and I personally no longer buy Toyotas or Lexus because my purchasing experiences proved to me after around a dozen of their vehicles, that Toyota and it dealers over price their vehicles and their service and many of their models are not only overpriced but underpowered compared to others in the market place. If others choose Toyota, that their choice, I could not care less.

mike

And Mike is the foremost authority in non-factual statements.

Nobody has ever called it that succinctly before, Gordon.

LOL

Thanks!

Natalie