Catalytic Converter Problems :(

i have a 2001 honda civic ex with cat probs. Just moved to Cali so i cant get an aftermarket cat. Dont know if i should take it off and ripp around like a bandit or take it off and get it repaired so i can
pass inspection....just dont know. i do know that the old cat is hurting my engine so any feedback would be excellent
thx, Johnner
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What's the specific problem?
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its throwing the check engine light code for catalytic converter because i took too long replacing the o2 sensor. i am not sure of the specific problem, so i am wondering, what would be the best course of action: 1) take my cat conv off until inspection? (would it hurt my engine, would i get pulled over, etc.) 2) also i was thinking about taking my car into a local cat shop but they dont do the labor for taking it off, so i also need to know how to take the cat off.
thx, johnner
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SO... What's the code? P0420? P1245657890? Cough it up.
When did this start? Did you replace the secondary O2 sensor or the primary? Why was the O2 sensor replaced? Has anyone checked for exhaust system leaks, cracked exhaust manifold?

How do you know that's the reason? And which sensor? What was the actual code?

Then you are embarking on an expensive experiment that may lead you absolutely nowhere except to a thinner wallet.

Jeez, before you go running yourself directly into the nearest brick wall, HELP US HELP YOU. This means giving DETAILS.
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word. may take a few--i'll get the info. thx
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ok. the code is P0420.
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"Cat efficiency below threshold".
This error _may_ in fact be due to degradation of the cat. However...
Surely you are aware that you are covered under a Federal EPA warranty for eight years or 80,000 miles for the cat? If you are under 80K and the cat is original, you are in line for a new FREE cat! Bingo bango, we have a winner! See your local Honda dealer.
If you're out of the Federal warranty, see here for some other suggestions: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/p0420.html
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Depending on your mileage, it might be covered under your emissions warrenty, take it to the dealer and have him check.. Your talking about a $1000, asking won't hurt!>
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its got 105K
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what's the problem?

rubbish. aftermarket catalysts are perfectly legal here - if they meet spec.

fix the sensors and see what happens first.

a catalyst cannot hurt the engine.
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so i taking the car to a part shop that said they will put on a used cat for $250, what do u think?
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Is it certified?
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ive got 105K :( but i found a guy that would put in a reconditioned cat for $250. how easy it to just buy the cat off him and put it in myself?
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oh i didnt see the last comment, well im not sure, i just had a quick convo with them, but i did ask would it be pass the emissions test, and they said ya. but tomorrow i will get the full details, thanks man you've been a great help johnner
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$250 for a used catalyst??? that's almost the same price as a new one!!! RUN, don't walk, away from these hosers as fast as you can. it's most likely it's not a catalyst problem, simply a sensor problem.
get your ass on over to someone that knows about cars, not someone that wants you to just give them money for nothing.
http://replacement.autopartswarehouse.com/parts/autopartswarehouse/wizard.jsp?year 01&make=HO&model=CVC-EX2-003&category=All&parttalytic%20Converter&dp=true
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hummm......thx. i was about to go. i have a feeling it is a cat problem because i drove around for about 2-3 weeks with a bad o2 sensor. would that have busted the cat up? Does it hurt the engine if indeed the cat is messed up and i am driving around on it?
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Not very likely. The cat is pretty robust and can handle _quite a lot_ of excess fuel without permanent damage. It will handle fuel economy as bad as 10mpg without getting wrecked.
The reason your ECM is telling you the cat is bad is because it sees excessive flip-flopping from the downstream oxygen sensor, which means excessive oxygen in the gases exiting the cat. No other reason.
If you haven't got an exhaust leak somewhere between the primary sensor and the cat, and the cat isn't coated with crud, then it's porobably really bad. Oxygen sensors as a rule do not go bad by becoming MORE sensitive.
A twist: Some models had problems with bad connections to the igniter. Strangely enough, this resulted in a P0420 error. Honda has issued a TSB on that. It does not cover your vehicle, though.

As jim beam has already said: NO. A bad engine can wreck a cat; a bad cat can't wreck an engine.
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Or between the cat and the secondary. A leak there will also introduce excessive oxygen.
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