Corolla v Civic v Hyundai/Nissan moeds

So my slipping clutch in my old mustang 3 on the floor effectively meant I had a six on the floor kinda maybe? Or did I miss a imaginary gear or 2?

"mjc13 @verizon.net>"

Did you have a CAT on that Stude and run ethanol tainted gas?

"Grumpy AuContraire" wrote Elle wrote

Bravo. I read Wikipedia a few hours ago and I believe it confirms Studebaker was first c. 1949.

They did MPG tests back then? What is the history of fuel economy becoming important to car manufacturers?

Elle Who pumped gasoline as a summer job when it was 59 cents a gallon.

There were a few small models with small engines that were designed to be thrifty for just about as long as cars were built. It would be hard to answer your question definitively, because it would depend on how you defined it. Volkswagen used to boast about the 25 MPG Beetle (although the heavier, faster, more robust Volvo Amazon would also average 25). Models like the Nash Rambler (introduced in 1950) and Plymouth Valiant were designed with fuel economy as a significant factor. I'm sure that whenever there was a Depression or Recession, or gas rationing, fuel economy was used as a selling point...

Really? Have you priced out a fuel cell lately? And where do you buy hydrogen? Or for that matter, a car that burns hydrogen? Of course you can modify a piston engine to burn hydrogen, but I don't think you will get a cost advantage and it certainly won't be convenient.

The Honda and Toyota hybrids have been on the road long enough to prove the doomsayers wrong. Hybrid batteries are very reliable and it appears that they could easily last the life of the car in many or most cases. The batteries and other hybrid components have an 8 to 10 year warranty so they are all likely to last the life of the car for most owners. AFAIK, the warranty is not pro-rated.

I think it would be unable to maintain 80 mph at 2000 rpm. If it did, you might find that you wreck the engine pretty quick.

As others have pointed out, the Prius is larger than a Corolla so the comparison isn't completely fair. OTOH, a Civic Hybrid costs about $3000 more than a Civic EX and the 40 to 30 mpg comparison would be about right fro these two. So it could pay for itself and then some during the period you expect to own it.

As for your original questions:

Civic LX or EX model is worth considering. LX saves you about $2000 if you don't need a sunroof, alloy wheels or a fancy stereo.

Use Edwards and the manufacturer sites to do your research. Google is your friend.

I would shop any place that sells the cars. You can play them against each other to see who will give you the best price.

Gordon McGrew wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

it takes a certain amount of HP to maintain a given speed(dependent on gearing,drag,powertrain losses,road grade,wind directions...),and that HP might be not be achieved at 2000 rpm. it would increase cylinder wall/piston wear.

the SI has only 2 liters displacement,and it's HP and torque is developed on the high end of the RPM scale.

It's also fair to point out that there are Federal tax breaks available to those that buy hybrids. If those tax breaks are still in existence (and I believe they are), they greatly enhance the economy of these vehicles.

And by all means, use the fleet manager and the web site of the dealership. You can usually get better deals this way than by dealing with the snake on the sales floor...

on 5/16/2008 10:55 PM Gordon McGrew said the following:

It depends upon where the vehicle will be operated. On the DelMarVa peninsula you can probably ride from one end to the other in 5th gear on a 5 speed bicycle, except after stops. :-)

"Joe" ...

If one is stuck paying the AMT (alternative minimum tax), there is no break for them. Tomes

And you are delusional enough to think there is, or ever will be, enough solar power available to fuel all the cars onthe road? Then there is the issue of how much energy it takes to make the solar cells.....

Mental Health Care professionals call this "a statement posed as a question". What he meant to say was, "You, Sir, are completely delusional!" to which I am able to respond. This "question" is meant to confound. Emotionally challenged people pose their statements as questions in order to provide themselves "cover" from more intelligent, more aggressive or perhaps more nearly sane people. This is passive/aggressive behavior. I believe the most energy we need to expend as a species is the novel, creative human energy it will take to make our planet a garden instead of a garbage dump. I believe all humans are served poorly by their "leaders". I also believe that each person awakens each day with the intention of making their lives, and their children's lives, as prosperous, comfortable and happy as their circumstances allow. We'll be OK unless the nukes fly. Then it'll be 'They are on their way in and no one can bring them back. For the sake of our country and our way of life, I suggest you get the rest of SAC in after them. Otherwise, we will be totally destroyed by Red retaliation. My boys will give you the best kind of start, 1400 megatons worth, and you sure as hell won't stop them now. So let's get going. There's no other choice. God willing, we will prevail in peace and freedom from fear and in true health through the purity and essence of our natural fluids. God bless you all.' Then he hung up. :)

Does that mean the Corolla or the Civic?

Civic

If one is "stuck" paying the AMT, the price shouldn't be that big of a deal to them... ;-)

I don't disagree. It remains that the tax break is not for everyone, and more folks need to know that then know it today. Tomes

My understanding of the tax incentive is that it is limited to the first 60,000 cars of each model, or maybe the auto maker. The Prius has gone over that so there is no more incentive.