Honda Service Manuals

I have a 91 Civic and use as needed a combination of the UK site's Concerto and CRX manuals and the other online resources listed at

. I dispute the claim that Chilton's manuals are junk. Much of modern Chilton's manuals are excerpts (or near so) from the Factory Service Manual.

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Pardon my miscommunication. There are a few regulars here who regularly opine that Chilton's is junk. I think that's absurd.

I do see the VTEC engine mentioned in a few places in my

1984-1995 Civic/CRX/del Sol manual.

If you care to mention what areas in particular you found the Chilton's lacking, that might shed more light on whether you absolutely have to spend the bucks for a Helms manual or not.

Even Helms omits important info. E.g. trailing arm bushing replacement can now be done with the arm in place.

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it's omitted because it's not a factory procedure. factory procedure is to replace the arm to eliminate risk of it fatiguing as its mileage increases. it can easily survive the life of one main bushing, but two is a risk.

that said, i personally always replace the main bushings on any used honda i buy, but i have two things in my favor:

1. i live in rust-free california.
2. i know what i'm looking at in terms of cracking and stress risers.

a manufacturer can't recommend a procedure to all that only safely applies to a small subset of users.

Doh.

But fact is, dealerships will replace the trailing arm bushing and not the trailing arm.

In the past I have asked you to cite statements like this, and you get all upset.

So, no, without a citation, this is just bullshit from a Usenet poster. And if you get all upset, it's more bullshit.

right now, only one of us appears to be using the language of negative emotion, and it ain't me.

fact: i have seen stamped steel suspension components like this fatigue and break. fact: corrosion reduces the cross section of material. fact: corrosion causes pitting - which acts as a stress riser.

reduced cross section /and/ stress riser? that sure is something to get upset about, but not in the way you're doing. and quitcher bleating about citations - original source does not require it.

Beamer: No citation, no sell. Your calling that emotion shows what a weak-ego'd bullshit artist you try to be.

elle, what are you trying to get out of this exchange? you're evidently not speaking from knowledge or experience here, so why dig yourself even deeper? get yourself to a junk yard and see where rusty springs have fatigued and failed - [other] suspension member failure is exactly the same thing, and you may even see one if you look long enough. i'm kinda shocked as to why this would be such a conceptual hurdle for an engineer.