Hybrids - Toyota vs Honda

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Michael Pardee wrote:

A modern automotive diesel powerplant, as about half the new cars sold in Europe use, is a much different story than the converted tractor motor Ford is using.
John
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The International engine that Ford uses in its light trucks turns a lot faster then any either one of them us in their farm equipment. ;)
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Even so, it is at nothing approaching the sophistication level of the best modern European car diesels.
John
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John Horner wrote:

Pay no attention to "Mike Hunter". He is a notorious pro-Ford liar and troll in the Toyota newsgroup (to which this thread had been cross-posted).
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Its true about the diesels though. Diesels sold in the US are antiquated, lumbering beasts from the late 70s and early 80s. a modern european diesel is not smokey, clattery, or similar. The nearest you'll get to a euro diesel at the moemnt, is the one in the Golf, or the one in the Dodge (actually Mercedies) Sprinter cargo van. Only ford diesel i've been impressed with over the years, was the 1.9 they used to have in the Ford Fiesta Cargo. The one they've put the the s-type Jag's meant to be good though.
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Diesels are a great fit for trucks. Hybridization just doesn't help when the vehicle is expected to provide a lot of power for a long time, hauling loads around. (IMA could move it off the line a little quicker, though.)
In spite of my complaint about the lack of off-the-line go power, the turbo diesel is nearly ideal for the job. The power on the road is outstanding (for a 10,000 GVWR truck) and the fuel economy is right at twice what the old gasser was giving me. Not only does that translate to a money saving, it means twice the range. No ignition to fail... I like it.
Mike
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On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:36:07 -0700, "Michael Pardee"

They're great for cars too. Hell, the fastest 3-series BMW, is a diesel. UK cops use diesels for their intermediate speed cars (volvo station wagons for the high speed ones) they're comming on in leaps ond bounds there, compaired to the US held back by its recaltrecent truckers, and their reluctance to upgrade tractor-trailer units.

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