most likely, yes.
what model honda is this? Most of the time, these kits improve the
performance marginally. For 20 HP you pay over $1000 and void the
warranty in too many cases.
I'd suggest forgetting the riceburner stuff and get practical. Or (if
you prefer) go to your neighborhood tuner shop and fork over a good
chunk of your yearly income to that shop.
I'm sure the owner would really love your business.
Same for Toyota.
AFAIK,Honda doesn't do engine performance mods,but optional
I guess they figure,if you want "performance",you buy their CivicSI,an
S2000,or void your warranty rolling your own.
I really miss the Prelude. Honda/Acura really does not make any cars that
interest me anymore.They've gone bland.
IMO,they are missing the market by not making CRX and Prelude.
indeed they are. a while back, i saw an article in the financial press
slamming honda for handing their cult following of the civic [and to a
lesser extent, prelude] to subaru on a plate. and they're right. honda
don't make a single really tunable car these days. the civic [and crx
and integra and prelude] used to rock, but they day they abandoned
wishbones, they lost their market leadership. anyone seen an acura rsx
lately, or whatever the integra replacement was? what a flop.] they
were under challenge to some extent before as they were falling behind
in horsepower, but lower power /and/ macpherson struts? may as well buy
a subaru. or a toyota. the honda leadership that made that decision
really had its head up its ass. i'm sure there were all kinds of
"financial" reasons for the decision, but the reality is, kids buy cars
they can tune, they become loyal, they grow up, have families, and buy
bigger more expensive cars of the same brand. no kids falling in love
with their first honda because it rocks, no brand loyalty. margins on
the current civic may be slightly higher with a lower suspension
component count, but it's not worth it if you're only selling one car.
factor the $100 "loss" of better suspension over the next 5 to 10 cars a
loyal consumer buys, then count the beans again honda.
SO TRUE ...Honda had a great oportunity at hand ..Honda needs a program
like Dodge's SRT unit. Look at the NEON SRT-4 ..It has stage 1-2-&3 kits
available from Mopar through the dealership. You could actually go into
a delaership and add that to the cost. Also the ACR package was
available as an option. The NEON while not exactly eye pleasing ..Puts
out staggering numbers for a low cost car...I mean 1/4 mile less than
14sec ..0-60 in 5.3 sec.....top speed 153 -gov limited..and thats bone
stock..ADD a stage 3 turbo and whew..And I hear that the NEON SRT-4
handles very well. Ive been a loyal Honda customer for 20 years but Im
jumping fence to the SRT ..Im probably gonna get a used Neon srt-4 or
maybe the caliber srt-4 when its out...I mean $20K for a 300 HP car
.260 TQ..sheesh..I currently have a del sol vtec ..iM considering going
turbo..but after supsension upgrades and etc. That'll push me up into
$10 K or more..plus its still a mushy del sol...Not me Im jumping on the
SRT bandwagon..There tuners built for tuners..ALL in factory fresh
from...If I could afford 30 grand for an an evo or sti I would but we'll
see...Bye bye Honda...PLus too ...all honda engines seem to have very
low torque numbers. Anyhoo laytz
i could not think of a single thing civic has in common with impreza
of any kind.
rex is essentially a muscle car that unlike mustang comes with the
necessary hardware to put every bit of the power from the monster
to the ground.
civic si is a nicely balanced fun car with a carefully tuned
and communicative steering. something where impreza is greatly
you'd drop the rex, put a stiff sway bar and retune the ecu and
end up with a more expensive car that sucks in a similar way.
you'd try to mod civic engine and end up detonating it or otherwise
end up with an undrivable piece of shit with a fart can attached.
i'm not sure what could you really tune about the car aside from the
tire swap to improve performance on a rice racer budget.
hmm, what subaru and toyota? I'm trying to think of a single fun
car on a budget subayota makes. sti maybe? still more muscle
and a front lsd to put even more prodigious amounds of power down.
maybe if you want to(can) pay $33k and for some reason mitsubishi evo
warranty stories don't impress you.
ok the other way around: kids grow up become fat and complacent
and want the cars with the family couch properties. or so the
think. if there was demand for celica toyolet would be still making
don't you think?
same with prelude and crx
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:07:34 +0000, Jim Yanik wrote:
Same with Toyota. They have dropped all the exciting cars for "Bread and
But, all the people that were looking at the peppier Toyotas are now
driving either Civics or Scions.
As far as the parts problem, what about Mugen? They were Honda's in-house
performance parts division.
The Current Si is nice. Buts its still just too cutsey for me. But that
is the formula thats kept the civic going strong all these years. Any
Mugen style honda would most likely be overpriced IMO. If Honda had
lets say a 2008 Civic Si Type Mugen. It would probably be in the $30 K
range. Albeit would be a nice car. But I just like goal of the SRT
program, low cost, high value for the dollar with good numbers. You get
a true track ready budget racer that is faster than cars costing 2-3
times as much. And it boasts a 13.5-14 second 1/4 mile bone Stock
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