On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:24:31 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"
I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm
not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion
too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside
sources (I don't remember now).
For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and
works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me last
week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone downhill, and
therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a Toyota Avalon. I'm
starting to look at Camrys now.
in my neck of the woods, the honda dealer techs are still driving old
integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and
mercedes. go figure.
my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe
not as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i
refuse to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated,
they've completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer
On 12/14/2011 01:52 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:
their transmissions. their engine management. their interiors. their
engines are retrograde with sintered con rods and cast cranks. and
their suspension is retrograde going from wishbone to macpherson. throw
in their losing the plot on the crx and integra, together with lack of
subie or evo killer and you have a pretty sorry story. at least toyota
[toyobaru] are bringing back the hatchiroku.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:28:26 -0500, "Howard Lester"
Funny you mention this because after seeing a Camry commercial, I was
beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car.
Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I
liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks.
I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an
'04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has
had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about
30,000. The reason I'm now looking at Camrys is in case the Accord gets run
over by a train, I'll be in position to make a quick decision on a
Go back a couple months and find the Car and Driver review of the Camry.
Toyota clearly stepped it up a notch with the goal of making a car
that's an obvious choice over the competition in that segment.
You hit it on the nail with my first Honda.... trans was slipping and
to repair it was $1500 + so I didn't want to spend that on a 15 year
old car so I got another Honda. I like the information you posted.
I got a 2007 Prius, new, and overall have no complaints.
Yes, a strut broke at about 60K miles, and replacing the two of them up
front is a $1000 repair. Goddam. It probably shouldn't have happened,
but I don't know what happened--was it a weak piece, or did my wife hit
If it was a weak piece, was it a known weak piece or was it an anomaly?
I compare this to the $4500 known bad transmission that Honda foisted on
me...which apparently is representative of how Honda is doing business
today, which started about 15 years back with some management changes
that turned out to be a bad idea. The Honda of old at the top is gone,
replaced by something that very much resembles the old GM.
Read the Bob Lutz book, "Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters" to read some
important bits of the GM inside story. Then you'll have a grasp as to
what Honda corporate has morphed into.
My 1996 Honda Civic CX Hatchback is sitting outside in the
apartment's parking lot. It has three hundred thousand miles on it.
Aside from having to put a quart of oil in it every time I
fill up, it is running just fine. I keep it around as a 'chores and
I just purchased a 2010 Honda Fit sports model. I expect it
to do that well, too.
I've had two Chevy's (one used, one new) and two Ford
Mustangs. American cars and dealers have caused me a lot of pain.
I'm on my third Honda and I'm always been very pleased.
I've come to the conclusion that you can't go wrong with
You will be sorely disappointed. Honda no longer makes cars that are
intended to last, or be reliable.
Sucks, but that's the truth.
And think about it: they would rather you come back every five or so
years and buy another one.
It'll take several cycles of that before people get the idea that Hondas
are no longer what they were. But what the hell, by that time (20 more
years?) the guys who invented this scheme have made their millions and
are long gone, and have left the resultant GM-style mess to the new guys.
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