New Honda being delivered Wednesday

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On 12/14/2011 04:24 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:


it's a slow day - go ahead and lay it on us one more time...
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Well 1 year and 31,000 miles later and she's holding up fine and trouble free. Only "complaint" is I think the sensor for the auto headlights is a little sensitive.
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My God, every 2010 car sold in America can do that. No surprise there.
But that's not what we're talking about.
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Well it's all I have to on so far as I got rid of my 2001 at 266,xxx miles.
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:24:31 -0500, "Elmo P. Shagnasty"

I've read from multiple sources and you got it from one source. I'm not discounting inside information but that might just be his opinion too. For all I know, maybe some of what I read also came from inside sources (I don't remember now).
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"Doug" wrote

For what it's worth, my mechanic, who runs a Honda specialist shop (and works on other brands), and used to work at a Honda dealership, told me last week that he is finding Honda's reliability has indeed gone downhill, and therefore he no longer owns Hondas. He recently bought a Toyota Avalon. I'm starting to look at Camrys now.
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On 12/14/2011 09:28 AM, Howard Lester wrote:

in my neck of the woods, the honda dealer techs are still driving old integras and ef/eg civics. the toyota dealer techs are driving bmw and mercedes. go figure.
my next new car is going to be a vw gti with dsg transmission. maybe not as reliable as my old civics, but honda have lost the plot and i refuse to buy another. not only is their technology sadly outdated, they've completely lost touch with any concept of preserving "customer loyalty".
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On 12/14/11 12:47 PM, jim beam wrote:

Am curious-- what technology is outdated?
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On 12/14/2011 01:52 PM, Douglas C. Neidermeyer wrote:

their transmissions. their engine management. their interiors. their engines are retrograde with sintered con rods and cast cranks. and their suspension is retrograde going from wishbone to macpherson. throw in their losing the plot on the crx and integra, together with lack of subie or evo killer and you have a pretty sorry story. at least toyota [toyobaru] are bringing back the hatchiroku.
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On 12/14/11 9:30 PM, jim beam wrote:

So I guess the wheels and the paint are still OK...
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On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:28:26 -0500, "Howard Lester"

Funny you mention this because after seeing a Camry commercial, I was beginning to think I might want to check them out for my next car. Sorta hate to leave Honda tho as I've had 2 Accords in a row and I liked them both but it's hard to argue with your mechanic. Thanks.
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"Doug" wrote

I'm on my 4th new Honda since 1982: '82, '91, and '97 Civics, and now an '04 Accord 4-cyl with 74000 miles. Knock on particle board, the Accord has had no trouble whatsoever save for premature rear brake pad wear at about 30,000. The reason I'm now looking at Camrys is in case the Accord gets run over by a train, I'll be in position to make a quick decision on a replacement.
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The Honda 4 cylinder drivetrains are probably still pretty good, but you mention the brakes--let me tell you, that has turned into a Honda weak spot the last several years.
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On 12/15/2011 03:18 AM, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:

bummer. honda brakes used to be excellent.
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Howard Lester wrote:

Heh... And I drive an '82 Civic automatic every day...
JT
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Go back a couple months and find the Car and Driver review of the Camry.
Toyota clearly stepped it up a notch with the goal of making a car that's an obvious choice over the competition in that segment.
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You hit it on the nail with my first Honda.... trans was slipping and to repair it was $1500 + so I didn't want to spend that on a 15 year old car so I got another Honda. I like the information you posted. Thanks.

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I got a 2007 Prius, new, and overall have no complaints.
Yes, a strut broke at about 60K miles, and replacing the two of them up front is a $1000 repair. Goddam. It probably shouldn't have happened, but I don't know what happened--was it a weak piece, or did my wife hit something?
If it was a weak piece, was it a known weak piece or was it an anomaly?
I compare this to the $4500 known bad transmission that Honda foisted on me...which apparently is representative of how Honda is doing business today, which started about 15 years back with some management changes that turned out to be a bad idea. The Honda of old at the top is gone, replaced by something that very much resembles the old GM.
Read the Bob Lutz book, "Car Guys Vs. Bean Counters" to read some important bits of the GM inside story. Then you'll have a grasp as to what Honda corporate has morphed into.
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On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 20:27:20 -0500, "Seth"

    My 1996 Honda Civic CX Hatchback is sitting outside in the apartment's parking lot. It has three hundred thousand miles on it.
    Aside from having to put a quart of oil in it every time I fill up, it is running just fine. I keep it around as a 'chores and errands' car.
    I just purchased a 2010 Honda Fit sports model. I expect it to do that well, too.
    I've had two Chevy's (one used, one new) and two Ford Mustangs. American cars and dealers have caused me a lot of pain.
    I'm on my third Honda and I'm always been very pleased.
    I've come to the conclusion that you can't go wrong with Honda.
                Fred
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You will be sorely disappointed. Honda no longer makes cars that are intended to last, or be reliable.
Sucks, but that's the truth.
And think about it: they would rather you come back every five or so years and buy another one.
It'll take several cycles of that before people get the idea that Hondas are no longer what they were. But what the hell, by that time (20 more years?) the guys who invented this scheme have made their millions and are long gone, and have left the resultant GM-style mess to the new guys.
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