So far it is. The Sienna FWD, 7-pas XLE with the leather package is $31K
while a quote emailed to me earlier today has the 8-pas Odyssey EX-L at
Wife likes the 8th seat in the Odyssey (as well as Honda's proven track
record with previous cars we've had) more than the electric tailgate (which
is included in the '07 Touring Odyssey).
The EX-L is easily the best deal in the Odyssey. I drive my elderly parents
around and I decided that I wanted power sliding doors for them (the right
decision) and rear hatches on vans get filthy fast so I wanted a power rear
door. For that you need the touring model. I regret not paying more and
gettting the rear view camera and navigation (my wife has navigation on her
accord and it is a pleasure). But the front and rear sensors are very
Wow, tough choices --
I'm not much of a fan of the Sienna, but it's not a bad car. The
Mercedes is VERY nice and is a really cool car, but their reliability
can't match the Toyota or the Honda. But as Seth put it above, it
should last for 27 months. Keep in mind though, this means you'll have
to buy another car in a little over two years, so if you're in this
for the long run, the Mercedes probably wouldn't be your best choice.
Overall, I'd take the Honda. I find it more comfortable, it's larger,
and it'll fit eight passengers. That should be a good plus for your
wife, especially if you have kids. Plus, it sounds like it's cheaper.
Good luck! Overall, any of the three you choose will serve you well,
it's just down to details now...
We both have dash-top Garmin units. I actually like the Garmin nav better
than all others. Power tailgate and rear camera would be nice, but not
needed. I'll buy an after-market backup sensor that actually speaks
distance remaining to object for under $200 and put it in myself.
I want an electric tailgate, but I absolutely WILL NOT suffer with
run-flat tires--which is all the US Touring model is equipped with.
If I really wanted a new Touring, I might seek out a Canadian model.
Well, what's done is done!
Got some Internet pricing from other dealers and went to my dealer (bringing
the wife and kids) so I could actually drive it and the kids could sit in it
(not that they were going to be part of the decision making).
He came down to $28,150 and $5000 on my trade-in for a net of $23,150. The
number I had in my head going in was 23,500, so I'm pleased. Going rate for
my old van on eBay is $4000 to $5600, we had high mileage. Now I don't have
to spend $100 having it detailed prior to auction, don't have to pay eBay
fees and I pay less sales tax (8.25%) on my new vehicle as here in NY they
only tax the net.
We're now a dual-Honda family.
The cost of tire replacement is a huge issue, and combined with the fact
that I'm stuck with exactly ONE brand/model of tire--that's unacceptable.
Nokian WR is probably the best passenger car tire you can buy, for
overall comfort and safety in the widest range of conditions including
severe winter/snow duty. I don't want a crummy OEM-specific Michelin
tire that's crappy in the winter and merely OK in the summer, especially
when it costs $500/tire installed.
I bought an Odyssey (still can't spell it) in Nov and just got back from
several thousand miles to FL. I LOVE it, may be the best all-around
vehicle I've ever owned.
Baseline: previous car was 84 BMW 528e that I had owned for 20 years.
Get rid of that thing. Our '02 Olds Silhoette (same van) started to
become very trouble prone not long after getting out of warranty. To
all the GM PR flaks who blame "perception" and "media bias" for their
rotten image I say ... just have a look at your own records of V-6
intake manifold gasket failures and high failure rates for almost
everything to do with the "U" minivans to see why so many former
customers joined the Never Again Club.
The three vans worth serious consideration today are the Toyota, Honda
Little late now, but... two caveats, maybe, if you were feeling
luxurious; lots of people who get the electric remote doors are
unhappy, because they are slow, can't be manually overridden, get
stuck on pebbles and things and have to recycle themselves slowly, and
won't operate if the vehicle isn't in park. (That last one seems odd
to me; are there a lot of carpool moms who want to just sort of slow
down in front of the school and fling the kids out the door like
Secondly, the runflat tires are like $250 each when it comes time to
replace, and if you decide not to go that route, then you need a new
set of wheels to fit "normal" tires.
They weren't any faster on the Chevy we just got rid of.
And I have no problem with requiring the vehicle being in park to operate
the doors. Doesn't hurt anything and may prevent an unfortunate accident.
Don't have the run-flats. I think those were only part of the "Touring"
model. I got a lowly EX-L.
And it will be a sad day when snowy weather hits and you realize you
don't even have the OPTION of buying snow tires, that you're stuck with
tires that are by definition a compromise.
Nokian WR are the best tires for the average sedan/minivan, and yet the
Odyssey with run-flats doesn't give you the option of having them.
Looks like that whole "minivan safety" thing goes right out the door
With cell phones and roadside assistance programs everywhere, run-flat
tires don't offer much if anything to the driver. The only thing they
offer is to the manufacturer: they can save the weight and expense and
storage area of a spare tire.
When was the last time you changed a tire? I believe for me it was,
let's see, 17 years ago--on an old van, and that was owned by my
And so what if you can drive on the run-flats? At up to 50mph for a
limited time. Gee, that gets you, what--off the freeway? Then what?
NOBODY can change out a run-flat; you're stuck WAITING FOR THE TOW TRUCK
to take you to a freaking HONDA dealer somewhere, where you're forced to
wait up to several days (yeah, that's right) for a damn tire!
Or you could wait at the side of the road, safe in your vehicle, waiting
for the tow truck you called with your cell phone--so he can either
change the flat for you, or tow you to the nearest facility that can
sell you a new tire and get you on your way.
Your wife would be PISSED if you stuck her with a vehicle that, when the
tire went flat, the only option was to hit the dealer and wait at least
overnight to get a freaking tire changed. Yeah, she was able to drive
to the next exit without damaging the rim--WHOOO HOOOO!
All your points are good and given a choice I probably would not pay for the
run flat tires. I live in central NC and snow is not an issue but I have
noticed that wet traction is not the greatest with these tires. On the
other hand, there have been many accidents here when people have been
changing tires on the inadequate highways... several deaths in the last
year within my tv news area..... so being able to get off the highway is an
advantage of sorts.
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