Question re first 3 month service

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Michael Pardee wrote:


I believe that Studebaker was the pioneer with regards to lock up converters with the Automatic Drive introduced in 1950.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_Drive
JT
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wrote:

i think you would've made one helluva flesh eating lawyer, or at least some kind of a politician, did anyone tell you that before?
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Sorry... engineer, not lawyer. I do get wound up in pointless discussions, though :-}
Mike
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Michael Pardee wrote:

Heh... Engineers often can be held in contempt too!
Don'tcha think that them thar' guys that design things, (and the process guys that follow), where you hafta take apart half the car to replace an alternator whould be tied spread eagled across a Texas fire ant mound maybe?
<G>
JT
(A retired process engineer (mfg) who tried to minimize product service issues)
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snipped-for-privacy@nospam.tv wrote:

No. Just follow the maintenance minder and keep an eye on any overriding conditions per the owner's manual. For example, the manual might say to change the oil at least once per year even if the minder hasn't come on.
The email is simply marketing trying to get you to spend money at the dealer.
John
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wrote:

Thanks to all for the clarifications! Now I get it! Will look over my manual to make sure I understand completely.
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This whole 'Maintenance Minder' thing is still a struggle for me! We have about 4700 miles on our '07 Odyssey and the 'oil life' is still at 20%! I'm taking it in this week, just can't wait any longer..... Besides, I have 4 free oil change coupons that the dealer gave me as part of the sale of the car.
I've always changed the oil at 1500 miles then every 3k after that (5k with the synthetic in my Audi). So this is new territory for me. OTOH the car is leased, so in 2.5 years Honda is getting it back, so.....
Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA
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Dano58 wrote:

i don't mean this to be facetious, even though it sounds it, but why are you abandoning science and research for tradition and superstition? put another way, why can't you trust the engineers that poured millions of dollars and years of research into developing this stuff? if it's fear of the unknown, what do you know about metal fatigue and do you still fly in planes?
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I didn't say I was NOT following the Maintenance Minder - I actually am - just that I'm having a hard time adjusting to it. My last new car, a 2004 Audi A4, has a traditional schedule of oil changes and service, especially with it's turbo 1.8T engine.
And it may be 'science and research', but when Audi first came out with the 1.8T engine, they recommended regular dino oil and 10k change intervals. That changed in 2004 after having severe sludge issues - they went to synthetic and a larger oil filter, along with decreased change intervals. Those that maintained a 'traditional' 3k/5k oil change schedule tend to have fewer sludge issues. So, sometimes in the quest to cut maintenance costs, the manufacturers can get their science and research messed up by bean counters.
Dan D '07 Ody EX Central NJ USA
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Dano58 wrote:

Another fine nail in the reliability coffin of Audi. I cannot imagine in my wildest drunken side walk knuckle dragging episode of buying the fact of a 10K change interval using dino oil in a turbo engine of any kind...
Geeeeeeez..
JT
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Dano58 wrote:

i think that has more to do with domestic oil formulations being somewhat inferior to european ones - and the underestimation thereof. and the problem of getting your oil changed at monkeylube. at least if you specify synthetic and it's not used, there's recourse. if you specified castrol [for instance] /nobody/ would pay attention.
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If you got a letter from your dealer it is probably automatically generated based upon average mileage/usage to solicit or perhaps remind you that service may be imminent. Below is a copy/paste of what Honda interprets the codes on your maintenance minder system.
Howard
From the factory recommended maintenance: 2007 ACCORD - Maintenance Main Items
'06-07 Models
If message ''SERVICE'' does not appear more than 12 months after the display is reset, change the engine oil every year.
NOTE:
a.. Independent of the maintenance messages in the smart maintenance display, replace the brake fluid every 3 years.
b.. Inspect idle speed every 160,000 miles (256,000 km).
c.. Adjust the valves during services A, B, 1, 2 or 3 if they are noisy.
Symbol Maintenance Main Items
A Replace engine oil.
Engine oil capacity without oil filter: 4.0 L (4.2 US qt).
B Replace engine oil and oil filter.
Engine oil capacity with oil filter: 4.2 L (4.4 US qt).
Check front and rear brakes.
a.. Check pads and discs for wear (thickness), damage, and cracks.
b.. Check calipers for damage, leaks, and tightness of mounting bolts.
c.. Check wheel cylinders for leaks.
d.. Check brake linings for cracking, glazing, wear, or contamination.
Check parking brake adjustment.
Check the number of clicks when the parking brake lever is pulled with 196 N (20 kgf, 44 lbf) of force.
With rear disc: 6 to 9 clicks
With rear drum: 4 to 7 clicks
Inspect tie-rod ends, steering gearbox, and gearbox boots.
a.. Check rack grease and steering linkage.
b.. Check boots for damage and leaking grease.
c.. Check fluid lines for damage or leaks.
Inspect suspension components.
a.. Check bolts for tightness.
b.. Check condition of ball joint boots for deterioration and damage.
Inspect driveshaft boots.
Check boots for cracks and boot bands for tightness.
Inspect brake hoses and lines including ABS.
Check the master cylinder and ABS modulator-control unit for damage and leakage.
Inspect all fluid levels and condition of fluids.
a.. Engine coolant
b.. Manual transmission fluid (MTF)
c.. Automatic transmission fluid (ATF-Z1)
d.. Power steering fluid
e.. Brake fluid
f.. Clutch fluid
g.. Windshield washer fluid
Inspect exhaust system*.
Check catalytic converter heat shields, exhaust pipes, and muffler for damage, leaks, and tightness.
Inspect fuel lines and connections*.
Check for loose connections, cracks, and deterioration; retighten loose connections and replace damaged parts.
NOTE: According to state and federal regulations, failure to do the maintenance items marked with an asterisk (*) will not void the customer's emissions warranties. However, Honda recommends that all maintenance services be done at the recommended interval, to ensure long-term reliability.

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On Mon, 7 May 2007 20:38:48 -0400, "Howard"

Where did you copy the maintenance info from? Please.
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