Re: R.I.P. General Motors (1931-2006)

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Can a state pass a law that restricts interstate commerce, and the Hummer meets federal width standards? In many states Hummers and other SUVs are
licensed as passenger car that exhibit the same plate as a Civic
mike hunt
There is nothing stopping State or local

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On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:50:03 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

Not stopping you from buying one, just stopping you from driving it on residential roads. Is their a Federal law that requires residential roads to be open to medium duty trucks?

This is a law that could be changed and should be IMO. Manufacturers should not be allowed to certify these vehicles as trucks under Federal law and then turn around and license them as cars.

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Why not, they must have a cargo area as required by law. If the law was otherwise it would hurt business that NEED trucks with extra seating in their business. Why should a family of seven have to pay a higher license fee for the vehicle they need, than a family of four pays for their license?
The President wants the Congress to give him the power to set fuel standards and to base CAFE on vehicle weight. The last time the forced people into less safe small under powered cars the death and injury rate climbed and the cost of converting plant to make the more costly to build FWD car led to the price of cars tippling.
Do we really want the government to get involved in our fuel costs. The President wants us to use more ethanol, yet ethanol consume more energy to make from corn then it produces. We would have to farm most of the country to produce enough ethanol to replace the gasoline we use now.
As to using local streets there is the exception for local deliveries, why would there not be one local for residents and how would that be enforced?
Why in the world would the people want to give the government more power? What's next, we have to ride motorcycles? We must walk if it is less than six blocks? Where would it end? It bad enough the government can tell us how many MPG our cars can get, will they tell us how many miles a year we can drive? If the government can tell is were to drive, it will not be long before they can tell us how far. Probation was repealed for a REASON
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Not in Pennsylvania. The Constitution requiers taxes to be equal among payers
mike hunt

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During which hours can one drive on other people's lawns?.

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On Tue, 2 May 2006 19:37:25 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

Hey mike, you didn't top post this. Are you one of those trainable mentally handicapped people?
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Dear Mike,
In Arkansas and Missouri, the license fee varies by the horsepower of the engine. SAE formula horsepower, I think in most cases. Illinois divided their car tag fees at 35 SAE horsepower for many years. Indiana charges an ad valorem tax as part of the license fee. Mississippi and Arkansas still charge property tax. Illinois did until 1970. Don't give me that guff about even license fees. Isn't Californication the state with the 2% tax per year on cars or something to that effect?
Just remember, you get what you pay for.
Charles of Schamburg.
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Perhaps but the fees are the same for every driver in the state
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On Mon, 1 May 2006 13:03:08 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
Really? Cars are required by law to have a cargo area? Oh, you mean trucks are required to have cargo area. I don't have any dispute in the classification of (most of) these vehicles as trucks. What I object to is permitting them to be registered and operated as cars.

Well hell, let's let them drive around with no plates at all, because we don't want to be a burden to business.
If they NEED a truck then let them license it as a truck.
If they NEED a bus then let them license it as a bus.
If they can't afford it, then they NEED to go out of business.

Why should my safety be jeopardized because some guy can't figure out birth control.

And the result are cars that are far safer and more fuel efficient than they were even ten years ago. Then we have these land barges being driven as commuter cars and grocery getters.
What is really needed is an overhaul of the DOT/EPA classifications of vehicles and their fuel economy standards. They need to create a new category of "Large Cars" which would carry 6 - 8 passengers and have more generous fuel economy standards. These could be large sedans, station wagons or minivans. They would be required to meet safety standards limiting bumper and roof height as well as additional impact absorbing bumpers to protect smaller cars. Such vehicles would be far safer and more fuel efficient than SUVs and versatile enough for 80-90% of SUV owners.
So who couldn't get along without their monster SUVs?
Off roaders (including people who live off-road). Sorry, but Ford and GM spoiled it for you by promoting these things as cars and now they have to be regulated. Not your fault but now you have tougher licensing, inspection and operation standards.
Towing big trailers. Hey, that is tricky and dangerous. You need to meet higher safety standards. No whining.
The good news? Go get your truck operators license and drive your car to your local SUV-by-the Day (R) franchise where you can see how it makes good sense to only rent it when you NEED it. Oh my, a whole new business created overnight.

ADM and the farming industry want us to use ethanol. Bush just wants what big business wants.

So we better conserve oil, good idea.

It would be enforced by the police following you and noting that you are not making a delivery.

I have not proposed giving the government any new or additional power. The government already classifies these vehicles, applies fuel economy and safety standards, licenses operators and registers vehicles. Everything we are discussing is just a change in the details of the regulations.

When we run out of oil. If we all drive monster SUVs we will be walking before you know it.

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On Mon, 1 May 2006 13:03:08 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

So mike, what was the reason your probation was repealed?
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Both cars and light trucks he been required to meet the same Federal crash standards for over ten years, and they meet them more easily than cars because of their size and greater mass.
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On Tue, 2 May 2006 19:41:24 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

But they don't meet bumper height requirements which are a critical safety feature.

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Go to this site. http://www.bridger.us/2002/12/16/CrashTestingMINICooperVsFordF150
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Mike Hunter wrote:

Yes, but you cut out the many times I said that it was my opinion.
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On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:46:31 -0400, "Mike Hunter"

He said it was his opinion before he even stated it. But I think it is a fact. Most of the people who drive the big SUVs would be better served by a more efficient vehicle, like a minivan. About 80% of the big SUVs driving around are performing missions which could be accomplished by a subcompact.
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That my be your opinion, but the people that are choosing to buy SUVs obviously do not agree with your opinion.
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Gordon McGrew wrote:

I sure did say that it was my opinion. Thanks for noticing :-)
Mike seems to think that since many people purchase SUV's -- indicating that they WANT and LIKE SUV's -- it also indicates that they NEED them.
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Actually your granddaughter would be better served with a minivan than an SUV. More room inside and better gas mileage.
Too me the SUVs are the Country Squire station wagons. When the next trend comes along the public will wonder why they drove SUVs. Remember the "personal luxury cars of the 70's?
Minivans were just as "cool" when they came out and all but killed the standard station wagon which was uncool.
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