No, what matters is that Honda knowingly built a bad battery, and then
to save themselves on warranty costs they "fixed" the car's software in
a way that pretty much eliminated the battery and forced the end user to
use more gas.
THAT'S what Honda faces in court, should this go that far.
We can fix that with modern technology: put three hundred pounds of
batteries and a hundred pounds of electric motor in your trunk, and
you can then equal new hybrid mileage. It really doesn't matter much
whether they are all in boxes or hooked up to the wheels.
well the prius hybrid works just great, despite its weight. and it's
it's not the hybrid concept at fault, just honda's execution. and when
you put their hybrid in the context of their past offerings such as the
crx hf, civic vx and civic hx, all of which were routinely high 40's mpg
cars, their hybrid is a very unfunny joke.
And the very last thing Honda wants is for the details of the
development of their hybrid system to be made fun of in the public
forum, on the record for all to see.
They won't let their horrible internal business and policy making
processes see the light of day.
I have a 2003 Civic Hybrid CVT with 135,000 miles on it.
I get around 53mpg on the highway, 47 in a mix of city/highway, and about
43-45 around my house, in very hilly country, with few freeway miles any
more. I have hit 62mpg, with cruise control at 50mph on a hilly country
road on a 60 mile drive. A/C, even for defrost in the winter, is probably
a 2mpg penalty. 80mph on I-5 for several hours gave me 42mpg.
As they say, YMMV.
Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5
On 1/1/2012 11:11 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I've also got a 2003 Civic Hybrid (bought mid-2002).
It's got over 220,000 km, and has averaged about 5.0 L/100km
(~47 miles/US gallon). Not quite the EPA estimate, but the EPA
did not include cold weather (Southern Ontario), or any speeds above
How you drive makes an enormous difference. When someone else
is driving the mileage always drops off.
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