OK, I looked at the owners manual, and while there are about ten pages
on how to operate the radio, there is no good ol' fashioned
maintenance schedule, that I can see. And the Honda site seems to
just refer you to your local dealer for advice, hah.
I thought one of the sales points on these beasts was "no tuneups for
100,000 miles", but that was never exactly true, I mean, you still
need oil changes, filter changes, brakes, tires, and ... what else?
I'm at 12k miles, the "oil life 5%" message is showing (already
changed once around 6k miles), so it's time for something, but is it
just the oil change, or more? I know my local dealer now recommends
"minor service" for $140, which consists mainly of oil, lube, checking
everything, a quick courtesy wash, "and resetting maintenance light".
Actually, it is exactly true. You don't need to do any tune-ups for
100,000 mi. In the old days, you needed to change the plugs, the wires,
the rotor, the cap, etc. Now, you don't need to do any of this for
They said "no tune-ups" not no maintenance.
Nothing inaccurate or misleading in what they said.
Go for the oil change only. You should be able to find to find
instructions on resetting the maintenance light in your owner's manual.
Get the list of everything they check with the "minor service" and learn
to check them yourself.
Unless you bought the vehicle used and somebody kept the manuals, I
suspect your answer is in the glove box. I received two items relative
to the maintenance schedule with my 2006. The more comprehensive one is
in the owner's manual. While Honda could have changed this, common
sense argues against it.
Only a dreamer would take issue with that selling point by pointing out
that you still need oil changes, filters, brakes, etc.
To save you the arduous task of re-reading your owner's manual for the
information, your maintenance schedule will call for oil change, oil
filter change, rotate tire and check for loose parts hanging down or
falling off the car<g>
Well, it's not entirely clear. BMW now includes all standard
maintenance for 100k. That's sort of kind of what Honda wants it to
sound like. Of course it's not exactly true, for the Honda, but now I
find they're not making clear what you should be doing - and the local
dealer leverages that into selling this "minor service" deal.
Dealer wants about $80 for that last. I guess that's life in the big
I'll go check the glove box for a secondary book that might have a
maintenance schedule, but I thought that used to be in the main book.
Look over the maintenance items. Minor service, IMO, is for the sheeple
too lazy to do anything, including reading the manual, other than pop
the gas tank cap and occasionally throw some washer fluid in the tank
when they can no longer see out the windshield.<g>
I can get my oil and filter changed and tires rotated for under $45.
While it's up on the rack I can do my own "walk around"
No, it's called running a profitable business. You can be an informed
consumer or a sheeple. I do what I can and shop wisely for the best
price and competency level on the rest of it.
They are probably pretty much the same across the 2007 Honda's but if
you have an Accord, turn to page 191 of your owners manual and READ it.
Maintenance is tied in to the Maintenance Minder vs. specific
mileages. Depending upon the code which comes up when the oil change is
due, various maintenance functions, listed in this section of the
manual, will need to be done.
2006 also uses this but, as I recall, also has somewhat of a chart -
similar to what most of us are used to.
All the 2007 manuals are available at:
That's me, basically, only I do wash the windshield without the spray.
I'm sure I did that, once.
Just want to keep the warranty valid.
Nearest shop (eg, dealer) seems generally competent, and honest, if
greedy. Rather less greedy than the Acura dealer, where I had to keep
fending off recommendations to clean the injectors, yada yada.
I guess the news to me is that they are entirely *serious* about this
minder deal, I though it was just a widget to tell you when to change
the oil, based on hours, RPMs, and cold starts - or something like
And now the trick is to see if the dealer will honor it without a lot
of noise. They send out these coupon books, and nowhere does it offer
"A-1 service for $50", which is about what it looks like it oughta be.
Plus or minus splurging on the filter.
Well, all you need to do is rotate the tires, change the oil, and
inspect the thing at the recommended intervals.
You say, "the dealer." Is there another dealer near where you live?
If not, is there a gas station or garage that can change the oil, rotate
the tires and reset the indicator light?
If the answer is "yes" to either question, then I would go elsewhere
than the dealer you have been going to.
Honda is well-known for a great engine with great longevity. I have
seen (over the course of five oil changes, etc.) a variation on the
mileage before the minder called for service. I'm sure they know what
I'm sure that the "widget" takes all that and more into consideration.
GM's had it for years and has issued numerous TSB's to their dealerships
in an effort to get them (the dealers) to back off the old "3000 miles
for oil and filter change" and let their maintenance minder system
govern the need.
While it's not critical, you might want to go back and see what you did
on the first change. Think hard. All the follow up recommendations are
predicated upon following their schedule.
Two things of note: On my 2006 (and I didn't check the 2007 book but
assume it's the same). Honda specifically warned the owner to NOT
change out the oil before the maintenance minder called for it and,
secondly, specified NO filter change at the first oil change.
I do not think anybody exactly answered your question. There is no
printed maintenance schedule for the 2006 and beyond Hondas. The
indicator on the odometer window will tell you exactly what you need
to do or have done. Oil changes every 6000 miles is about the same as
what mine is telling me. The last time the little wrench thingey lit
up, the maintenance minder said B 1 2. I was able to go to the manual
and see what B 1 2 called for. I did everything myself except the oil
change. I have those done simply because it is such a bother to
dispose of the used oil. Then I reset the minder following the
instructions in the manual.
Itinerant astronomy teacher
Freelance science writer
On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 20:44:39 -0600, Elliot Richmond
Well, thank you for a clear answer!
I saw the codes and all, but didn't realize that was meant to
completely replace any fixed schedule!
So, A-1 at 12,000 miles just means change the oil, not even the
filter, and rotate the wheels? Well, I may just splurge. I mean,
Actually, I think I had to reset the minder after my first oil change,
shop simply forgot to do it. I did check the oil and found it clean!
Harumph. Just as a test, I guess I'll call the dealer, tell them the
code and mileage, and ask for their recommendation. Heh. Like I
don't know already.
think about it - the answers are already both in his glove box /and/
online, yet he's asking the question anyway. therefore it's all about
the, er, "social interaction" and not about the car. like those morons
bleating about washer fluid.
bottom line, don't complain, just ignore their dumb asses. if you don't
play, they'll get bored and f*** off. elmo, you rise to the bait all
the freakin' time - you have some interesting and valuable comments to
make some times, but wasting your precious bodily fluids on idiots is
| > Damn straight.
| Yet people like you, come here to ask the same old questions and READ
| the answers. You could cut out the middleman and just read the manual in
| first place.
I think there is an issue of expectations here... If you've purchased new
cars in the past, particularly if you've done so over a period of 10, 20,
30+ years, but not every year, you expect to find a service schedule in the
manual or service log book even if you do read the manual. As such, it might
help matters if the dealer rep who delivers the car explained that the
maintenance schedule is determined by and reported by the car itself rather
than listed in some part of the documents provided. It may take a while for
people's expectations to catch up with the technology...
| > I think there is an issue of expectations here...
| Use the same old tried and true methods that have worked over the last
| forty years and have no worries.
Of course, it's human nature! ...and it goes the other way too. I've met a
lot of kids who have never "dialed" a phone and aren't sure what to do with
a rotary phone, cannot tell the time on a clock with hands, have no idea how
to use the most basic of tools or function in the woods, and wouldn't even
fathom the notion of walking somewhere... It's what you were socialized to
as you grew up. In the case of the service manuals, even though the manual
mentions the service related lights and displays, in the back of the mind
the notion of a schedule exists so the search for a schedule is under
taken... Does it make good sense? Probably not... but then one could argue
that much of the technology doesn't make sense, e.g., Power windows? What's
wrong with a crank? LOL
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