í02 Santa Fe: Currently at Dealer - need sanity/labor check

Would really appreciate a 2nd opinion on this!
Took my í02 Santa Fe (110,000 miles) back to the dealer for additional and previous unresolved issues.
Note: I have the 120K powertrain warrantly.
Four issues on the ticket:
1) Coolant Leaking (new issue again) 2) Squeel Noise from the serpentine belt 3) SHift hesitation for first 3-5minutes when starting the car first time of day into 1st and 2nd. Very pronounced in cold overnight weather. 4) Vehicle stalls ocassionally while idling at stop light first few minutes after starting car.
NO MIL lights have ever come on.
Background: about 3 months / 5000 miles ago, was also leaking coolant, and overheated. At that time, head was rebuilts, aslo had timing belt and water pump replaced. Also ATF was flushed.
At this point, they say they canít address the stalling / shifting issues unless I take care of everything else they found.
No charge for #1 - Warranty (Good thing I specifically asked for that replacement at the timing belt change).
#2 -- I am being told that there are two probelms here -- the tensioner and the idle pulley. He says tensioner is covered by warranty, but the idle pulley is not. DOes this make sense????
Strangley, he reports the belt is "just fine". Considering its never been replaced (I thought it was during the last major work)... Iím not going to "save" $30.00 for a belt that is 100K miles old.
With respect to #3 nd #4, he indicates the are not getting any transmission codes, but they do see codes P0330 (Knock Sensor 2) and P0441 (Purge Valve)
Any he indicates these codes may have nothing to do with my trouble, but I must fix them by
A) Replace purge valve ($35 + 1 hr labor) and B) Replace Knock Sensor (part cost ??? + 3 1/2 hours labor).
Only then can "test" the transmission/stall issue.
Total Costs: $1300 - with no insurance that it wont go up since they are not addressing #3 and #4.
Any thoughts on this, especially the 3.5 hours to replace the knock sensor? Wondering how much of this is duplicate labor,since they are going to have to tear down to get to water pump anyway, as well as replace the belt. Or would this truly be completley seperate labor in an unrelated area.
I asked him to look into this, but I got the feeling that if he can "double dip", he is not going to let me interfere with that without me showing more knowledge.
All help is greatly appreciated.
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#1. Excellent. #2. Iím actually surprised either is covered. "Powertrain" doesnít typically cover anything external. If these pulleys are for the drive belt, they should be included with the water pump labor. Both must be removed to take the timing belt cover off. #3. Not feeling the shift hesitation, itís hard to say, but this may be normal. The transmission control module (TCM) changes shift points based on temperature to help achieve desired fluid temperature quicker. This should not be affected at all by the purge valve or knock sensor. #4. The purge control valve is an excellent explanation for the stalling. If itís stuck open, youíll get vapors bleeding off into the manifold when the vehicle is off. Itíll make the vehicle difficult to start after itís been sitting awhile and run poorly after starting. The knock sensor can cause some minor performance issues, but shouldnít make the vehicle stall. Itís located under the intake manifold, so thereís no overlap with the other work. If youíre looking to combine it with something, it combines well with the spark plugs/wires. Iíd be tempted to repair only the purge valve, clear the codes, and see what happens.
"dcbarry" wrote: > Would really appreciate a 2nd opinion on this! > > Took my '02 Santa Fe (110,000 miles) back to the dealer for > additional and previous unresolved issues. > > Note: I have the 120K powertrain warrantly. > > > Four issues on the ticket: > > 1) Coolant Leaking (new issue again) > 2) Squeel Noise from the serpentine belt > 3) SHift hesitation for first 3-5minutes when starting the > car first time of day into 1st and 2nd. Very pronounced in > cold overnight weather. > 4) Vehicle stalls ocassionally while idling at stop light > first few minutes after starting car. > > > NO MIL lights have ever come on. > > > Background: about 3 months / 5000 miles ago, was also > leaking coolant, and overheated. At that time, head was > rebuilts, aslo had timing belt and water pump replaced. Also > ATF was flushed. > > > At this point, they say they can't address the stalling / > shifting issues unless I take care of everything else they > found. > > > No charge for #1 - Warranty (Good thing I specifically asked > for that replacement at the timing belt change). > > #2 -- I am being told that there are two probelms here -- the > tensioner and the idle pulley. He says tensioner is covered > by warranty, but the idle pulley is not. DOes this make > sense???? > > Strangley, he reports the belt is "just fine". Considering > its never been replaced (I thought it was during the last > major work)... I'm not going to "save" $30.00 for a belt that > is 100K miles old. > > > With respect to #3 nd #4, he indicates the are not getting any > transmission codes, but they do see codes P0330 (Knock > Sensor 2) and P0441 (Purge Valve) > > Any he indicates these codes may have nothing to do with my > trouble, but I must fix them by > > A) Replace purge valve ($35 + 1 hr labor) and > B) Replace Knock Sensor (part cost ??? + 3 1/2 hours > labor). > > Only then can "test" the transmission/stall issue. > > Total Costs: $1300 - with no insurance that it wont go up > since they are not addressing #3 and #4. > > > Any thoughts on this, especially the 3.5 hours to replace the > knock sensor? Wondering how much of this is duplicate > labor,since they are going to have to tear down to get to > water pump anyway, as well as replace the belt. Or would this > truly be completley seperate labor in an unrelated area. > > > I asked him to look into this, but I got the feeling that if > he can "double dip", he is not going to let me interfere with > that without me showing more knowledge. > > All help is greatly appreciated.
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Thanks again for the excellent advice! Pretty much my inclination was what you reported. Iím just going to have them do as much as I can under warranty (and the "nearby stuff") and let another delear take over from here. As you probabbly know by now, I donít have a lot of faith in them, as they already tried other stunts.
Just curious, what is the book labor time for water pump replacement?
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#3. Not feeling the shift hesitation, itís hard to say, but this may be normal. The transmission control module (TCM) changes shift points based on temperature to help achieve desired fluid temperature quicker. This should not be affected at all by the purge valve or knock sensor.
I should have been clearer in my post. (I was to the dealer.) When the weather was cold, (by So Cal Standards, in dropping into the teens and 20s (Farenhint)), it was beyond hesitation, into a full delay of 2 -3 seconds and then CLUNK!!!!! Itís not garaged unfortunately, but Iím guessing that is out of the normal range, otherwise the poor folks in the middle and eastern states would be rioting.
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"Hyundaitech" wrote: > #1. Excellent. > #2. I'm actually surprised either is covered. "Powertrain" > doesn't typically cover anything external. If these pulleys > are for the drive belt, they should be included with the water > pump labor. Both must be removed to take the timing belt > cover off. > #3. Not feeling the shift hesitation, it's hard to say, but > this may be normal. The transmission control module (TCM) > changes shift points based on temperature to help achieve > desired fluid temperature quicker. This should not be > affected at all by the purge valve or knock sensor. > #4. The purge control valve is an excellent explanation for > the stalling. If it's stuck open, you'll get vapors bleeding > off into the manifold when the vehicle is off. It'll make the > vehicle difficult to start after it's been sitting awhile and > run poorly after starting. The knock sensor can cause some > minor performance issues, but shouldn't make the vehicle > stall. It's located under the intake manifold, so there's no > overlap with the other work. If you're looking to combine it > with something, it combines well with the spark plugs/wires. > I'd be tempted to repair only the purge valve, clear the > codes, and see what happens.
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Alldata lists 2.6 hours as the replacement time, but that seems rather low. I doubt many shops will be willing to do the job for that labor.
And the transmission issue doesnít sound terribly normal. Wonít be caused by the purge valve or the knock sensor, either. Itís definitely an issue with the transmission or transmission controls (sensors, TCM, etc).
"dcbarry" wrote: > Thanks again for the excellent advice! Pretty much my > inclination was what you reported. I'm just going to have > them do as much as I can under warranty (and the "nearby > stuff") and let another delear take over from here. As you > probabbly know by now, I don't have a lot of faith in them, as > they already tried other stunts. > > > Just curious, what is the book labor time for water pump > replacement? > > > Re: > > #3. Not feeling the shift hesitation, it's hard to say, but > this may be normal. The transmission control module (TCM) > changes shift points based on temperature to help achieve > desired fluid temperature quicker. This should not be affected > at all by the purge valve or knock sensor. > > I should have been clearer in my post. (I was to the dealer.) > When the weather was cold, (by So Cal Standards, in dropping > into the teens and 20s (Farenhint)), it was beyond hesitation, > into a full delay of 2 -3 seconds and then CLUNK!!!!! It's > not garaged unfortunately, but I'm guessing that is out of the > normal range, otherwise the poor folks in the middle and > eastern states would be rioting. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > d.
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