Since I got superior fuel economy from a substantially heavier 10
year-old vehicle (with 154,000+ miles on the all-original hardware)
with a larger, more powerful engine I'm forced to conclude that either
there IS something wrong with my Santa Fe or its drivetrain is very
what do you expect from an SUV, didnt you do ANY research BEFORE you bought
it??? maybe you be better suited with a horse and buggy... then you wont
have to WHINE about your fuel mileage... I own a 2006 Santa Fe.. LOVE it
dont care bout the fuel mileage because I knew what it was BEFORE I
I know that UseNet is the home of ignorant knee-jerk reactions, but the
level of stupidity behind them never ceases to amaze me. Yes, I did
research before I bought. What I expected was mileage at least
approximating the EPA estimates as well as what the company itself
touts. I also read many reports from owners (like those above)
describing much better mileage than I'm seeing. There is absolutely
nothing in any of my posts to suggest otherwise.
So, in short, trying giving those two brain cells that are desperately
clinging to a lonely existence on the inside of that otherwise empty
skull of yours some exercise before shooting off your ill-informed
mouth next time.
Thanks, but I'm well aware of that, and that is precisely how I viewed
them. That's also why I didn't rely on them primarily, as indicated by
my citations of other sources of information in my previous post.
Well, I checked some of your other posts in this group and found that
this really isn't about anything I said. You're just another
belligerant, mouthy jag-off in general:
- "go pay another 20K and get yerself a REAL 4WD then and quit yer
Yes...it makes me wonder how you've managed to survive this long
without any demonstrable brain activity. The quote in the post you're
replying to was from YOU in another thread. Are you on some sort of
I notice how you gloss over the fact that your previous response was
brain-dead. In any event, the "other person's" message was
non-inflammatory, so its content was not relevant with regard to the
asinine tone of your response.
There are often trade-offs for better fuel economy -- many times higher
compression, which allows more power but exerts more force on the engine
components. Hyundai has never been known to be on the upper spectrum of
If you rate a design poor just because of fuel economy, then you're being
rather narrow-minded as to all the variables of powertrain design.
20 years ago you might have been right, but today there's precious
little excuse for sub-17 mpg efficiency - given primarily steady
highway driving - in a vehicle as relatively small and light as the
Santa Fe. As already indicated, my 10 year-old, much heavier Explorer
(with performance that easily equals the SF's) was not only giving me
better gas mileage, it did so for over 154,000 trouble-free miles, and
with minimal maintenance on my part. What advantages above that should
I expect from the SF as my "trade-off" for the reduced mileage? I'm
not being confrontational about this (I prefer to leave the mindlessly
obnoxious behavior to Pete and his ilk). I'm genuinely looking for
Primarily because of the Santa Fe's superior value and warranty. I no
longer needed anything quite as large as the Explorer, and was willing
to trade size for improved gasoline milage, lower price, etc. The
Escape, though a nice vehicle, simply couldn't compete in terms of bang
for the buck.
Yes, I think that unfortunately, we lose something with the lower price
of the Hyundais. I nearly bought a Toyota and sometimes now regret that
I didn't. The money I saved on the Sonata will buy a lot of gas to be
sure, but it won't fix this crappy electronic throttle and it reminds me
every day about itself! Once the Sonata is paid for, I'll likely trade
it for something else as it annoys me more every day I drive it.
Ahhhh - the reason for so many types of cars on the road today. We all
have our triggers and when something like the pedal on the 06 Sonata just
seems to lay on your hot-button it's almost amazing how big a small issue
can become. So far my Sonata (04) hasn't let me down, but I bought it used.
It was pretty much what it appeared to be, so for me, all the car really has
to do is continue to run like it does for a reasonable time before I have to
fix it. I believe I'd be a lot like you with the gas pedal issue though
Matt. That would probably bug the hell out of me. Think back to how we
used to work to get the hesitation and little hic-cough out of a Rochester
carburetor in the 60's and 70's, so that throttle response was instantaneous
and full. To sit in a car today which by design somehow intends to defy
that fundamental, just wouldn't seem right. It would certainly drive me
Can't for the live of me understand why such a simple and reliable system as
has been in place for every car now for years (cable) would ever be replaced
by an electronic equivalent(?). Sometimes improvement is not really.
I was wondering precisely the same thing. Mind you, I'm no automotive
engineer so there may well be some advantage to the electronic throttle
that I'm not yet aware of...but such an "improvement" strikes me as a
violation of the two prime directives of engineering:
1) KISS (keep it simple, stupid).
2) If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Although it is only a minor annoyance to me personally, I have to agree
with you guys. I do think that it plays some part in the whole
traction/skid control system, but I would think that a cable system would
be workable somehow too.
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