2006 Hyundai Sonata: Opinions?

Hi Eric,

I have about 3500 miles on my 2006 Sonata and love it for the roominess and handling. I just returned to Georgia from a 700 mile trip to Reading, Pa. We were loaded down with 3 people and as many gifts and luggage as would fit! We got 31.7 miles per gallon at 75-80 mph for the trip. Around town we get about 28 miles per gallon with some 15 mile open road trips to the next town. Can't tell you anything bad about it. The tires on my GLS model are Michelins. I have the 4 cylinder engine with

164 HP, which is more than enough for merging into traffic. No need for the 6 unless you enjoy paying the crooks for gas.

Tom

Tom, that is encouraging. I have just over 450 miles on my new GL (2.4/

5 speed) and it still has half a tank in it. It had 184 miles when I picked it up so it isn't THAT good on fuel.

What are the EPA ratings for your GLS? Mine is 24/34 as I recall. I think the 4 cylinder EPA ratings are for either transmission, but I'm not sure if the auto has the same rating as the stick. Do you have the standard 4 speed auto with your 4 cylinder or did you get the 5 speed auto?

I agree that the 4 cylinder has plenty of pep for normal driving. I test drove the V-6 with the 5 speed auto and the GL that I ended up buying. I bought the GL as its performance was nearly as good as the V-6 with the automatic. I didn't drive a 4 cylinder automatic as I've always preferred stick shift given a choice.

I'm anxiously awaiting my first fill-up to see how it does. I know it may be a little low during break-in, but I think it is doing pretty well even on this first tank.

Matt

Hi,,

I just looked at my sticker for the GLS and it's rated at 24/33 mpg. On the first trip over roads at 55 mph, it averaged 34.5 mpg. It has the standard

4 speed auto. I have a 2002 Honda Civic also that has consistently given me 40 mpg. It's an LX with 4 speed. Reluctantly, I have to sell it since I'm now retired as of today and I don't need all these cars anymore. I know it will go fast when I park it out front with gas the way it is. I looked at the new Civics and almost bought one except for the fact that the Sonata had more interior room in all directions. It's amazing how much room is in there, isn't it?

Tom

Thanks for the info, Tom. I live about 70 miles northeast of Reading. Hope you had a nice trip.

The mpg sounds encouraging. My experience has been that big sedans with a 4-cylinder, (I mean 'big' by 4-cylinder standards, i.e. over 3,100 lbs.) fall far short of the EPA ratings unless you drive 55 mph with cruise control on a flat stretch of highway.

Smaller cars can get closer to sticker fuel economy ratings at normal highway speeds; I don't mean race-car driving, I mean the 65-80 mph that's standard on all highways these days. There's a point past which one cannot defy the laws of physics.

I guess living in Georgia you don't have to worry about the Michelin tires' snow/ice performance. If anything maybe it's the opposite; are they OK on very hot pavement in the summer?

Where I live we get the worst of both worlds. The winters are bad enough that the roads are slippery to downright dangerous at times, but not quite bad enough that dealing with winter becomes everyone's top priority, as in New England or upstate NY.

Most folks here stick with all-season tires, though they make sure there's plenty of good tread left on them. (Tire dealers love places like this. No one with any sense lets their tires get below 5 or 6/32 tread on a vehicle they drive in winter.) I run winter tires when I can afford it; I've got a set on my Malibu Classic now.

If I do buy a new Sonata it will stretch my budget pretty tight so I would like to use the OEM all-season or touring tires for at least the first winter, especially with ABS, traction control and stability control. The Michelin MXV line gets mostly good reviews but not much mention of their winter performance.

Regards, Eric M

It looks like the auto only costs you one MPG on the highway as compared to the stick. It is amazing how good the new automatics are. I remember when a stick shift was good for at least 10% better fuel economy.

I still like shifting my own gears, even if there isn't a mileage benefit. I hate automatics that are always shifting in the mountains. I guess the Hyundai automatic will hold the gear if you slip the shifter into the "shiftronic" slot, but I still decided to go with the manual after driving both.

Yes, the room in the Sonata is truly impressive. The car has a lot to like. I've mentioned already a few nits I don't like, but they are mostly minor, other than the lousy heater ... that is significant in PA winters.

Matt

I live about 150 miles northwest of you, near Lawrenceville, PA.

I haven't owned snow tires in 20 years, other than on my K1500 pickup which I use to plow my driveway. I've found the all season tires to be adequate for all except one or two days of the year, and then I drive my truck!

I know my GL has Michelin tires, but I didn't check to see if they are the MXVs. They are the standard 16" Michelins that come on the base Sonata. We haven't had much snow since I got the car, just a couple of inches, but my driveway has been snow covered since Thanksgiving and is uphill for half of is 3/8 mile length. The Sonata has had no problem coming up the driveway and does better than my Chrysler minivan.

The only bad thing about the tires is that they seem to have just the right size grooves to pick up the size stones/cinders that PennDOT lays down. These tires just pummel the car with stones when driving on the highways. I wish the dealer would hurry up and get my mudguards in!!!

Matt

Hi Matt.

Are you in Tioga County, near the NY state border? If so I'm surprised you rely on all-season tires. Of course they take better care of the roads up there, but still. (Please don't get me started on PennDOT; good luck with the mud guards.)

ERM

We're a daring lot up here Eric. Not sure where Matt is from, but I'm up in Oswego county and that's all we rely on. Almost nobody uses snow tires up here. Brian and I had a discussion about that very thing not so long ago. He's one of those wimpy guys from New England...

Yes, I'm just a couple of miles south of the NY border. Yes, I get by fine with all-season tires. Success in winter driving is, in my opinion, 90% technique and 10% equipment. There are maybe 2-3 days a year when studded snow tires would be of significant benefit. The rest of the winter they are a detriment as they are almost always worse on dry pavement than are all season tires. So, I optimize for the 120 days of winter when the roads are clear and dry or just wet rather than for the 2-3 days when things are nasty. And, as I said, I have a snow plow equipped pickup with 4WD and heavy lug tires for those really nasty days. :-)

Matt

Yea, for the past 40 + years I've gone back and forth from sticks to auto's. I'm like you - I like to shift when I want but on this one, I yielded to the wife who can't drive stick. Once I tried to teach her on my old 356B Porsche and when she shifted without ever touching the clutch pedal, I figured that was enough. :O) I've had a 69 427 Vette with a 4 speed that was the ultimate and a 67 Cougar 390 Gt with a stick. Both were a LOT of fun. The shifting is so smooth on the Sonata that you couldn't even notice as it slipped out of lockup on the hills of Virginia. My Dodge Ram truck was constantly shifting up and down. Very annoying. Glad to see it go.

I can't tell you much about the all season abilities of these Michelin's but I've owned them in the past with good results. I know what you mean about plenty of tread, having grown up in Reading/Pottstown, Pa area. I used to carry a set of tires in my trunk already mounted with chains.

You should be able to pick up a GLS for about 17,500.

If it works for you, that's great. How hilly is it where you live? The problem 'round here is the elevation. Plus the roads curve and wind through the hills. Plus the area is growing fast and most of the newbies have no clue how to drive in winter.

I live in Monroe County in northeastern PA; the foothills of the Poconos. The difference in weather and road conditions between where I live, in the valley, and 12 miles north, west and uphill from here can be unreal.

I've found that real winter tires help enough to make them worth getting; as usual it comes down to money.

It's true that some of the best all-season tires have reached the point where they are almost as good in light-to-medium snow, slush or slop as average snow tires. One of these days I'm going to try the Nokian WR all-season tire.

Still there's no all-season tire that will perfrom as well on ice as will a good winter tire, as far as I've seen. Ice can be a real probelm here.

Of course, people get excited when the forecast calls for 6" of snow---which should not be a huge problem if your road is plowed, you have good tires, (even all-seasons) and you know how to drive. It's the coating of ice that falls without warning and coats the road that's the real danger.

Thanks for the advice.

Regards, Eric M

I'll agree it's at least 80/20, but in my experience tire quality, design and tread depth makes up a big part of that 20% or 10% or whatever.

Good for you. For now I can only afford one vehicle, though I hope that changes one of these days.

BTW I don't use studded tires; too noisy, too much trouble and they are actually a safety hazard on dry clear roads, I've heard. I've got a set of Kelly Magna Grip snows on my Malibu Classic; not the best winter tire, but they are brand new, (got them Dec. 1) and it's what I could comfortably afford.

Thanks for the advice.

Regards, Eric M

Quite hilly. Look at a topo map to get a feel for it.

If it is worth it to you, then that is all that matters.

This has been my experience.

True. Also true that no winter tire performs as well on dry or wet pavement as an all season tire. Which do you have more of?

6" isn't even a problem on unplowed roads unless it has an unusually wet and heavy snow (think spring).

Matt

Yes, but if ice is your real concern, you can't beat studded tires, unless you want to deal with chains.

Personally, if I thought I needed winter tires, I'd also get them studded. Since I agree that dry roads are the norm, even in a PA winter, I stick with all season tires as they are the best choice in most of the conditions we see.

Matt

I thought for sure that last comment above would have brought Brian out - he's been almost MIA for the past couple of weeks. Maybe someone should go over to his house, just to check...

I'm pretty familiar with with Monroe County and the surrounding area. Driven through there a lot. As far as snow fall goes, we'd call the annual accumulation down there "a dusting". But... black ice is a common enough occurrance as you encounter the Poconos.

That's where the rubber hits the road - so to speak. In the conversation that Brian and I had this became one of the pivotal points. Brian really likes what his snows do for him so in my opinion, that makes them worth the money for him. I've had snows and I never saw enough benefit to them in the upstate NY climate. We get 300 inches of snow a year around here and it's not uncommon to plow snow with the car such that it's piling up over the hood, just to get down the road I live on and up into my driveway.

As I pointed out in my discussion with Brian, for the most part I do not use any of the cool tires. I take the 60 series tires off that come on so many cars today and put on a 70 or 75 series that give me a better cut into the snow. I also pick tires with aggressive sipe and tread patterns that bite snow and drain water. I'm anal about that. Tires like these will do more for a car - even on ice, than a lot of people realize. Depending upon the manufacturer, they can still be found labeled Mud and Snow, which is what an aggressive ASR used to be called, but that nomenclature seems to be disappearing these days in favor of the simple ASR.

The one exception to what I say above is the tire that came on the Grand Am I bought this year. It's an '03 and it came with a brand new set of some Japanese(?) M&S radials. They're a 50 series tire and I was convinced that I'd be replacing those quite quckly. Well - I didn't get around to it and guess what... They have a very aggressive sipe and tread and they chew through the snow in an unbelieveable way. They've handled hard pack extreemely well too. So... the jury is out on these tires. Whereas I would have condemed them initially and proclaimed them unsuitable for winter use, they're still on the car now and I'm giving them their due. But.. it's an extreemly aggresive tread for this style of tire. We'll see how they hold up in terms of mileage, etc.

I'll add that they are good in heavy snow as well as light to medium - as long as the tire is a good deep tread tire with sipes that create nubs that weep to the sidewalls and good shoulders. That is a different design than the more sporty low profile ASR that is so common today.

Correct. We have excellent snow removal around here, owing to the amount of snow we get, but we can still find ourselves driving through a foot or more of snow on a fairly regular basis. It's just a matter of the snow falling faster than the plows can make their routes. Cars just go through it. The bigger problem is on the interstates (I-81) where the hardpack can build up and drivers are too stupid to allow for that. I don't care if you have snows, studs, or metal cleats - hardpack is not a 75mph driving surface. For the most part - I'd rather have some snow on the roads in the winter. Snow is traction.

Greetings! For those not in a hurry to drive, I get the impression that there will be a full report on the Sonata (both the 4 and the V6), as well as the new Ford Fusion family and a couple of others as soon as March in Consumer Reports magazine.

Don't know if you like the magazine, their slant or their politics, but they are thorough in their testing of cars. They seem impressed by it initially, much more so the 4 than the V6.

Test drove one myself. Agree that the 4 seems quite good, and people that own it LOVE the fuel economy. The room, the pleasantness, the amenities and the safety features are all VERY impressive. This seems like it is going to be a great car.

Tom Wenndt

This is the crux of it. What you say is true....but compare the potential down-sides to the trade-off.

Snow tires on dry pavement don't handle as well in turns or stay as straight and true on highway trips, (depending on wheel alignment) and the gas mileage might go down a click. OTOH, snow tires on icy or even slippery roads can save your life---or at least save your car and prevent or lessen injury---compared to all but the very best all-season tires.

Right again, but you have never seen some of the new transplants to this area from the city out there on the roads in their first winter in the Poconos. Even in their SUVs with ABS, traction control and in some cases AWD they can't handle it. As one of you guys said, winter driving is much more about the driver than the equipment....still I'll take good snow tires when I can afford them.

Regards, Eric

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Yep. A big problem here is melt and refreeze. The temperature fluctuates a great deal, especially as you get out of town and head uphill.

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In a way you are actually lucky to get that much snow, in re road care. People---including those charged with plowing and treating the roads---have to take the weather seriously as a matter of survival. Around here it's different.

I'm no expert, but as far as I know all tires that meet the "Mud and Snow" standard---which can't be that tough, based on some of the tires I've seen---have "M+S" marked on the sidewall.

My standard for running all-season tires in the winter is: Must be a matching set of 4 radial tires, marked "M+S," must be graded "A" for traction, must have at least 6/32 tread depth left with all 4 tires within 1/32 treadwear. I wish I knew more about tread design and technical aspects but I'm no mechanic.

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Yep. It's the same way out near Erie. As noted, there are actually some advantages to getting that much snowfall each winter, assuming the road crews and drivers know how to deal with it. (That will never happen here.)

Thanks for all the advice on tires for winter driving, guys. I think we've about talked it out. I'm interested in hearing what it's like to drive the Sonata on a daily basis, if anyone would care to share.

Regards, Eric