Yes, I'm just a couple of miles south of the NY border. Yes, I get by
fine with all-season tires. Success in winter driving is, in my
opinion, 90% technique and 10% equipment. There are maybe 2-3 days a
year when studded snow tires would be of significant benefit. The rest
of the winter they are a detriment as they are almost always worse on
dry pavement than are all season tires. So, I optimize for the 120 days
of winter when the roads are clear and dry or just wet rather than for
the 2-3 days when things are nasty. And, as I said, I have a snow plow
equipped pickup with 4WD and heavy lug tires for those really nasty
I'll agree it's at least 80/20, but in my experience tire quality,
design and tread depth makes up a big part of that 20% or 10% or
Good for you. For now I can only afford one vehicle, though I hope that
changes one of these days.
BTW I don't use studded tires; too noisy, too much trouble and they are
actually a safety hazard on dry clear roads, I've heard. I've got a set
of Kelly Magna Grip snows on my Malibu Classic; not the best winter
tire, but they are brand new, (got them Dec. 1) and it's what I could
Thanks for the advice.
Yes, but if ice is your real concern, you can't beat studded tires,
unless you want to deal with chains.
Personally, if I thought I needed winter tires, I'd also get them
studded. Since I agree that dry roads are the norm, even in a PA
winter, I stick with all season tires as they are the best choice in
most of the conditions we see.
I can't tell you much about the all season abilities of these Michelin's
but I've owned them in the past with good results. I know what you mean
about plenty of tread, having grown up in Reading/Pottstown, Pa area. I
used to carry a set of tires in my trunk already mounted with chains.
You should be able to pick up a GLS for about 17,500.
Greetings! For those not in a hurry to drive, I get the impression that
there will be a full report on the Sonata (both the 4 and the V6), as well
as the new Ford Fusion family and a couple of others as soon as March in
Consumer Reports magazine.
Don't know if you like the magazine, their slant or their politics, but they
are thorough in their testing of cars. They seem impressed by it initially,
much more so the 4 than the V6.
Test drove one myself. Agree that the 4 seems quite good, and people that
own it LOVE the fuel economy. The room, the pleasantness, the amenities and
the safety features are all VERY impressive. This seems like it is going to
be a great car.
I don't subsribe to CR but will keep an eye out for the March issue. If
I buy a Sonata it will almost certainly be a four-cylinder. When cars
this size started coming with 4-cylinder engines it seemed strange to
me, but now having owned a 4-cylinder Malibu and having driven and
ridden in a 4-cylinder Camry I'm a believer.
If you guaranteed gas would drop below $2/gallon and never top $2 again
I would think about a V-6. Also, I don't know about Hyundai but in the
GM world the Ecotech 4-cylinder is considered more reliable than the
V-6, especially the troublesome 3.1L V-6 in the Malibu from a few years
I just filled my Sonata for the first time last night. It got 27 MPG on
the first tank. This seems a little low, but I'm guessing it isn't
given the circumstances - break-in, winter, not knowing if the dealer
really had it full at delivery and the fact that one tank does not a
trend make. This was about 70% highway and 30% in-town driving.
I have to admit that one of my biggest concerns with Hyundai was fuel
economy. Every test I've read shows that Hyundai's seldom achieve the
EPA ratings and almost always compare at the bottom of the comparison
group. The Hyundai dealer was handing out fliers of a comparison test
that one of the car mags had down with the Camry, Accord, Hyundai and, I
think, a Chevy. The Hyundai did well in most of the categories of
comparison, but it yielded the lowest actual gas mileage by a fair bit.
It seems that Hyundai must really tailor the car for the EPA test cycle
and not as much for the real world. Even though the EPA ratings aren't
that different from the Accord and Camry, it seems the real world
mileage is a fair bit different. Time will tell...
I have a LX (V6) with 500 miles. I did some tests on the highway using
the MPQ (G?) on the trip computer. AT 70 mph, steady speed, level road,
2 mile stint, i was getting 27 mgp; at 55 went up to 33 mpg. But stop
and go around town, droppig kids off at school, commuting through towns
with stop lights etc im down to 18. Maybe I should have gotten the GLS
4 and saved a few thousand (btw..i paid 19.3 for the LX, no moonroof,
after 2k rebates and includes destination charge; TTL extra; basically
~$200 under invoice).But I got the car a few weeks ago and believe
that weather plays a significant role in mpg. I just filled up and
gonna drive a couple of hundred miles and compare how much it takes to
fill up vs the trip computer, then try to focus on the temperature
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