The element of required service checkups and actions. They are
necessary in those frequent intervals in order to keep the warranty
There is apparently a difference of frequency of required service of
say, Mazda (Tribute) versus Hyundai Tucson or Santa Fe
This has brought a new view for me as I am accustomed to frequent,
very low cost oil changes and maintenance on my older Volvo. How I was
treated, those years ago, by a Volvo corporate rep who invalidated my
request to address my car issues, thus I would never dream of buying a
new Volvo again.
But back to the point. If the Hyundai Santa Fe required service every
3K miles and the Mazda required it only every 5 to 7.5K, then those
ludicrously exorbitant oil changes take on a different view.
Perhaps the nature of newer cars is now out of the hands of the owners
and into the hands of designated techs with automotive computers.
I have always trusted myself with oil changes than anyone else. I have
always used better oil and better filters, etc. Particularly at $48
an oil change at the Hyundai dealership
Any sage words on this subject are welcome.
Read the Maintenance Log that came with your vehicle. Hyundai's standard
oil change interval is 7500 miles. As long as you adhere to that, your
warranty is good. You DON'T have to take the vehicle to the dealer for
service, either. Simply document your oil changes and you'll be fine.
This is true for all other required maintenance, as well.
You can still do your own oil changes without threatening your warranty. If
you look at the Hyundai owner's manual you will see that nothing in it
precludes owner maintenance. There are some areas where you either must, or
you will want to use Hyundai parts but Hyundai does not insist you use any
authorized dealer for the work.
Use dino oil and continue to change it at the intervals you're familiar
with, or use synthetic and you can change it at the longer intervals.
In every car I have ever owned, I have always ended up ignoring the
recommended maintenance frequency when it comes to oil changes.
I don't do this flippantly. I have an '02 Elantra, and after having owned
it for six months, and about two oil changes, the oil itself now tells me to
change it every 6000 miles (I always use synthetic). I also have an
Oldsmobile that has become my first (ever) vehicle to seem perfectly fine
with the 7500 mile interval.
But then I have an '04 Kia Sedona, and I don't dare go a mile more than 4000
with it, no matter what oil I use. In years past, I had a Pontiac car built
by Daewoo of Korea that pretty much maxed out its oil at 2500 miles, even
Mazda, or whomever, may make all the recommendations they want. But similar
recommendations by Toyota have resulted in a bad sludging problem in a lot
of Camry engines - problems that could have been avoided if the owners would
have paid closer attention to their oil, and changed it when it really
needed it, rather than when a maintenace book told them to.
This doesn't necessarily work with other services (I SERIOUSLY advise people
to change timing belts at or by the recommended maintenance interval, for
example). But for oil, it has never failed me. And for a person who puts
200,000 miles and more on his cars, I have needed my oil to do what it does
best in my car engines.
So, whichever vehicle one buys (my wife SO dearly loves the Santa Fe), just
watch your oil, and keep it changed as (really) needed, and document all
your oil changes.
Cars may be getting complicated, but not when it comes to changing oil
(though it sounds like all the extra steps required in the Tucson is trying
to change that. That alone would be enough for a person who changes all his
own oil - like me - to look elsewhere). Change it yourself, get better oil
and better filters for less money, and you will really get into watching
your own oil and intervals.
Hope this helps.
Perhaps he's an "engine whisperer"... ;-)
Unless one has laboratory analysis done on the oil, there's not much you
can tell by looking at it. All oil gets dirty, but that doesn't
necessarily mean that it needs to be changed, it just means that it's
doing its job. People who change their oil more often than necessary
typically do so either because it make them feel good or because "That's
what my dad/uncle/friend/neighbor/mechanic/hairdresser did and his cars
lasted a gazillion miles!" People are just unwilling to allow "the myth
of the 3000 mile oil change" to die the ignoble death it deserves, much
to the amusement and profit of the oil companies.
Considering that car companies test the snot of their products and
they're responsible for the consequences if their oil change intervals
cause problems, there's nothing for them to gain by recommending
intervals that aren't appropriate. THEY know a heck of a lot more about
their engines than we do, so it simply makes sense to follow their
'Took a while to get back to the computer
Actually, I had changed my standard quality dino oil every 1,500
miles. And now with Chevron's better DELO oil, I have been changing it
every 2K to 2.5 K or so. It is a relatively easy and inexpensive way
to treat well one's car.
I have seen service stations use that bulk oil, which I don't trust
(and overfill it) and low grade oil filters.
That is part of why I had been so displeased with the idea of being
chained to the dealership at those insane oil change prices, if that
were to be the case. This is what some other forum posters said or
But now I understand that the dealership cannot force an owner to do
the oil changes there at the dealership. I still don't know how one
journals or documents as proof, that one did do the correct and timely
servicing, but I imagine that I can and will find out.
I am looking at the element of paying extra for an extended wrap
around bumper to bumper warranty - which might be a good idea with a
car coming from a dealership lot. Or might be not necessary beyond the
time period of the exiting bumper to bumper warranty and how long one
keeps a car, in actuality.
Actually, it's a complete waste of a dwindling resource. Changing your
oil more frequently than necessary is environmentally irresponsible and
provides NO benefits to your engine.
As I said before, your car came with a Maintenance Log - or at least it
should have. Check the documentation package that came with the car.
Waste of money, IMO. Additionally, aftermarket warranty companies have a
disturbing habit of going out of business. If the extended warranty
isn't from the factory, you can't count on it being there when you need it.
Yep. I think another major part of the problem is the oil filter
itself. The Santa Fe's factory filter has at least 2x more surface area
than any "book" aftermarket filter I've found for the Santa Fe so far.
1995 Corvette Non-ZR1 oil filter - Wix Part 51324
2001 Hyundai Santa Fe 2.7 oil filter - Wix part 51334
The 51324 fits great on our 01 and 03 Santa Fe 2.7's. The O-ring size
is slightly larger than the book OEM replacement but the plate still has
3mm to spare all around. I saw one slightly larger filter available
that would fit and meet the required specs but it wasn't a regularly
stocked item at my local parts houses (its some Isuzu diesel filter...)
More importantly people should take the time to inspect the timing belt
at least every 20k miles. Its not that hard to get the cover off, even
on the 2.7...
Documenting maintenance leads to better resale values, too.
Yep. You don't even have to dig deep in your wallet to get decent oil
these days. Walmart sells their supertech full-synthetic in 5 quart
bottles for about the same price as Castrol GTX dino. Its not quite
Mobil-1, but unless you race or abusively tow the increased upper-end
thermal capacity of Mobil1 isn't really required.
Its hard to turn down $2.25/qt vs $5.25/qt...
Even for those of us who do our own work and who are not intimidated by the
idea of opening up the front of a motor, this is an extreme suggestion. It
might feel good to wrench off a timing cover and look at a belt, but this
degree of inspection offers absolutely no value.
Actually, it does not add much to the resale value of a car. If you are
trading a vehicle in, the trade in values are pretty much dictated by book
values. A poorly maintained vehicle is pretty quickly identified by visual
indicators. A lack of documentation of such things as oil changes does not
affect the value. Yeah - if you take all of your records in the sales rep
may give you lip service by telling you how much that up'ed the value of
your car but it didn't. These days it's too easy for everyone on the street
to know the value of a car for those records to be of much value even in a
Agreed. Whether dino oil or synthetic, today's oils are really very good.
All will go longer and still protect the engine, than the oild change
frequencies we used to know, and probably still live by today. I use dino
oil and still change at 4,000. Every oil today will go longer than that,
especially under our normal driving conditions, but old habits die hard and
it's just too easy a job to perform for me to lose any sleep over having
changed it too early.
With sincere curiosity, assuming it is a belt rather than a chain, on
the Hyundai SUVs, what would one specifically look for in terms of
problems looming with the timing belt / chain. I had the previous
assumption that one changes it well ahead of the manufacturer's
recommended interval as it will just pop when its life is up.,,,
are there wear signs or the like ?
First off, the timing belt issues in the 6 cylinder go away in 2006 model
year vehicles. I'm not sure about the 4 cylinders. In '06 Hyundai went to
a different 6 cylinder and it uses a chain.
For pre-06 models, there really is nothing to look at or for. The chance of
any problems inside the timing cover which would provide a visual clue of a
pending belt failure are neglible. Unless a timing belt is exposed to
severe conditions (which would include extremely high mileage), it typically
does not show indicators that you'd be looking for. If you are looking for
cracking or signs of edge wear or slack or the likes, you are just not
likely to see those things, even on a belt that is in jeopardy of failure.
History has borne out however, across a myriad of vehicle manufacturers,
that timing belts have a predictable life and that 60,000 (Hyundai's
suggested interval is fairly consistent with other manufacturers) is a
prudent maintenance point. This would provide for using the term
"preventative" in association with the word maintenance. Changing it early
is just a waste of money. Anomolies not withstanding. The 60,000 mile
interval already has a well studied protection factor built into it.
What will failures appear like? Most commonly, the belt just breaks. It is
very common to have no audible or visual ques prior to the event.
The best and easiest approach to your concerns - follow the manufacturer's
recommended schedule. There are literally tens of thousands of these
vehicles out there that continue to run just great with nothing more than
that practice of following Hyundai's recommendations.
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