Questions about installing remote starter in 2003 Santa Fe.

I receive a Design Tech International remote car starter (early Christmas present) for my 2003 Santa Fe. I've downloaded the updated manual and tech
information from the manufacturer's web site, and as was looking for some information prior to installation.
This model, 23927, supports several extra features like remote door locks, basic alarm system, etc. However, being that it's about 5 degrees F outside, and I don't have a well heated garage, I'm planning on just installing it to do the basic starting and save the "bells and whistles" for warmer weather. The extras already exist with the factory remote, but it would be nice not to have to keep both remotes.
Basically, this unit uses relays to simulate the turning of the key in the ignition. The manufacturer has a wiring color code for the Santa Fe on their web site that shows which wires correspond to their designations of "ignition 1", "ignition 2", etc.
On their color chart for the Santa Fe, it shows the following wiring colors in the ignition switch harness:
Blue - live in "run" and "start" positions
Pink - live in "run". May or may not be live in "start"
Green- live in "accessory" and "run" modes
(I am planning on verifying all this with a meter before I do anything!)
The main question I have is on the one that they designate "start", it's the wire that's active when you've turned the key to the "start" position. According to their color chart, it's also listed as "blue". Is that the same wire as the "blue" wire in the list above.
Can anyone familiar with the Santa Fe wiring give me some clarification on this?
Also, I know this seems like a basic question, but the hook up to each wire would be basically just "tapping" into each line, sort of like a "tee" in a plumbing fixture, correct? That's what it seems like it would have to be, otherwise the key ignition wouldn't functions.
If anyone has done this, or has any other information, it would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Mike O.
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thats one thing you should leave to a pro to do...

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Have a look at the schematics on www.hmaservice.com. They're in the ETM section. I think you've pretty much got the right idea, but haven't taken time to check the schematics.
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a picture, I don't get any actual pictures, just the placeholder icon. I'm pretty sure my IE settings are correct; I don't get this effect on other sites.
The ones I was trying to see were under "Engine electrical", "Starting system", "starting system schematics". There's two images, "Starting system (1)" and "starting system (2)". All I see the the picture icon, no images.
I'm going to keep trying to figure a way to get the images from the site, but I've tried off and on since I had the Santa Fe, and I've never been able to see the drawings on the HMAService site.
Is there any way you can possibly get the images and send them to me? The address is "MSO", followed by "999" at "hotmail.com" (no quotes).
Mike O.
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Mike O'Donnell wrote:

As a follow up, I tried accessing HMAService from a differnt computer (at my work), I still get the same thing; no images, just the generic picture icon. I tried with Firefox and wasn't even able to get to the "service" area after logging in.
I have noticed both at home and work that the failure to get the images only seems to happen on drawings. Photos seem to show OK. It looks like the drawings are in a format that IE doesn't recognize.
Any assistance would be appreciated.
Mike O.
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I've tried to send emails from the site to you. You may have the same issues, don't know. Also, the e-mails may not contain the info the subject line indicates. I did a test of this once before, and what I received was not what I mailed myself.
You may want to make sure you have pop-up blocking off when trying to view these pages if you haven't done that already.
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I haven't received anything in my hotmail account. I have tried turning off the pop-up blockers, making sure the IE settings are set to display images, etc. The odd thing is that different places on the HMAservice where photos are displyed, I see them. It only looks like drawings, diagrams, etc. aren't showing up. Internet Explorer shows the generic picture icon, but it's not the "broken" icon, so IE does recognize that an image is there, it just doesn't display it. Do you know what file format they use for the drawings?. I sent an email to their feedback site, hopefully they will come back with some info.
Something else really strange. If I select the year to 2002 or 2001 models, I can see some of the drawings. Still not all of them, but some. I was able to get the "Starting System Schematics" for 2002. Should that be the same for the 2003? Also, is there somewhere I can get the wiring color codes?
In another note, I've seen references to an "immobilizer control system" on the Santa Fe 2002-2006 (I have a 2003). The shop information on hmaservice references a transponder built into the ignition key, but I know mine doesn't have it; I've use simple flat keys from my local hardware store, made for $2. The reason I'm asking is that the remote starter website references an alarm bypass module (additional cost) that you put a spare key into. According to their system the 2003 Santa Fe needs this module.
Thanks. Mike O.
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If you have the 2.4 or 2.7, the '01 and '02 schematics should be the same, I believe.
Here's the wire codes I remember off the top of my head: B-black, G-green, L-blue, P-pink, R-red, Y-yellow.
If you lock your vehicle with your factory keyless remote, the vehicle won't start unless it's unlocked with that remote. I don't particularly see why you'd need a key in a module somewhere, however. The immobilizer wasn't used on Santa Fes in the U.S.
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Thanks for the info. "2003 Power Distribution", the "2002 Charging system", and the "2002 Starting System" schematics. Now that I know that the letters are the color codes, it should make it easier. Here are some of the other letter's I've seen in the diagrams. Can you confirm my guesses: O - Orange? Lg/B Light green & Black? Br - Brown? W - White?
Also, just out of curiousity, do the numbers in front of the color code indicate some kind of wire size code? On several of the diagrams I see designations like "3.0L", "2.0Lg/B", ".85R", etc.
One more question about the schematics. On the drawings (specifically the 2003 Power Dist), the diagram for the ignition switch shows a standard rotary switch symbol. It has an arrow from the common point, and an arc with dots to show the different positions (Lock, Acc, On, Start). On some of the diagrams there's also a thick line that almost looks hand drawn, going from one of the positions over toward the next point on the arc. Is that showing that the circuit is live at both points?
Am I correct that the "immobilzer" was the system that looked for a specific code chip in the key, and won't start without it? As I understand it, the bypass module would use a spare key (with the chip) to feed to the computer module so that it would think the key is in the ignition.
I think the statement that the immobilizer "wasn't used on Santa Fes in the U.S." is probably the "key" (no pun intended) to why the remote starter web site says I need one on the 2003. Maybe DesignTech made the assumption that if they're used anywhere on the 2003 models, DesignTech's web site would show it as necessary.
I'm off work next week, and the temprature is up to a balmy 40F, so I'll probably work on it sometime after Christmas. This way I should have it installed before the January freeze..
Thanks again for all your assistance. Sorry about the length of this post.
Mike O.
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I think all your wire colors are correct. And the numbers do indeed represent wire sizes, with larger numbers representing larger wires.
The thick arc usually goes through the points, making things clear, but I think you're correct. I believe that if the arc is over or on a particular point, it represents a closed contact in the switch. I think it's possible there may have been some sort of weird error in drawing the schematic to make the arc come up over top of the contact points you see. If there's any doubt, you can, knowing which wires feed power to the switch, take a test light and see which ones are hot in which positions, verifying what the schematic means.
And yes, Immobilizer is the system that looks for the chip in the key.
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Thank you for all the information. I'm planning on working on this later this week, probably Thursday or Friday. My plan all along was going to start by probing with a multimeter while trying the different positions on the ignition switch. I'm just trying to get as much info as possible before starting. Even if I knew all the documentation by heart, I've worked in the computer and electronics field long enough to not trust the documentation 100%. It doesn't always match the real thing.
Mike O.
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you've provided, plus what I found on the web, that I'm ready.
I found out why I can't get some of the drawings on HMAService. I needed the Adobe SVG viewer installed. I was doing some more searching and on the TwoSpirits Santa Fe mod forums, I found some information about using the HMAService site. It mentioned the SVG viewer. I installed it and all the drawings come up fine now. It makes sense why the most of the older drawings work; they probably started using SVG around 2003.
- Mike
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Right there, it says you need the SVG viewer..
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