Another update to this continuing saga..... had the Jeep to yet another Jeep dealer in my home town.... Although it was there all day, I have no idea of what all they did to it.... I suspect they just put the OBD scanner on it, and came up with a code. They could have done more, but I have no way of knowing. That is why I prefer a private mechanic, so that I can talk to the human who works on my car. Usually, that is impossible at a dealer.
Findings.... the dealer says is shows an error code of P0725, engine speed sensor function. Based on this, they recommended that I replace the transmission control module, at a cost of $850, with NO warranty , and NO guaranty that is my problem !! Sorry, but I just don't see any future in thowing out that kind of money when even they don't really know what the problem is. I wouldn't hesitate if they would assure me this would fix the problem, and/or at least give me a 90 day warranty. Furthermore, I have had NO problem with the transmission. Remember, this is an engine shutdown problem, with all gauges going to zero. So far, different Jeep dealers have told me that I need a new Body Control Module, New PCM, and new Transmission Control Module. None of them have had enough faith in their diagnosis to guarantee their work.
I then took the Jeep to another private mechanic who has a good reputation, and I reviewed all the the facts with him. He is willing to invest some hours in testing grounds, etc etc, but he recommended one first step before I pay for a full day of diagnostic work. Although I replaced the CPS in April, he indicates that he has installed a number of CPS units that turned out to be defective. He suggests that he first install another new CPS, and also replace the Camshaft Position Sensor as well. Then, we would go from there. This guy is very reputable, and I truly believe he is trying to approach this from the most cost-effective approach.....
Any further comments, based on this new info ?? If I have him replace those sensors, would you also replace the engine speed sensor (code P0725) ??
Thank you very much for your continued input!! This is the most frustrating car problem that I have ever had....
James
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I wanted to give an update on this ongoing saga. I took the Jeep to a Jeep dealer, and left it there for two days. While at the dealer, it ran fine. They claimed to have driven it some, and they claimed to have let it run at idle for hours at a time, then switch it off and on, etc etc. To make a long story short, they just told me that they could not duplicate the problem, and could not actually diagnose it. They claim to have checked the ignition switch and the pcm plug, but said that was not the problem. They said the problems "could" be the Body Control Module AND the PCM, and quoted me $1,600 for both including labor, but with NO warranty and NO assurance that the car would even run when they got done. I didn't see much future in that, although I would have paid their price if I had some reasonable assurance that would have fixed the problem.
Today, I drove home, a 500 mile trip. The car drove fine for the first
190 miles, and then just shut off, all of a sudden. Same symptoms as shown below. All gauges at zero, but starter would turn the engine over but it would not fire. Very same symptoms as we have had for some time now. We were out of town, and in a precarious spot. We called a wrecker, and waited an hour for them to get there. Once the wrecker arrived and the driver asked me to turn the ignition on and put it in neutral , once I flipped the switch the gauges came on and (as always) the car started fine and ran fine. We drove to a local Jeep dealership, and they said it would be a few days before they could look at it, so we elected to try to drive it home. So, we drove it home for the final 300 miles , without mishap. So, it shut down after 190 miles, then the gauges restored after an hour of shutdown, and them it ran for 300 miles without any problem.
Another thing that concerns and also confuses me..... the Jeep dealer today said that it would be nearly impossible for them to diagnose the problem if it was running fine while it was there. On the other hand, they said that if the gauges were dead when they were working on it..... their computer scanner would probably not get a "read" on the problem, as they suspect there may be a bus communication problem. How on earth would anyone ever diagnose the problem ???
The only pattern that I seem to have noticed, is that the gauges seem to reactivate after about an hour of cool-down. Could this be heat-related ? Is there any type of thermal fuse or in-line link that could cause this problem ??
I will greatly appreciate any further comments or advice on this problem.
James
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Since I first posted this problem, I installed the CPS , about a month ago. So, for a full month, I have had NO problem. But today, at slow speeds of
20-30 mph, the engine shut down completely. Then, the starter would turn over and over, but the engine would not crank. All gauges remained at zero. After some time, and turning the ignition on and off, the gauges went back to normal, and the engine started right up. I am not a mechanic, but it seems to me that this HAS to be an electrical problem.
Yes, I will have a mechanic do the ODC codes asap, but what kind of things are left, that I should be looking for ??
Please read the OP again (below) and give me any hints now, after knowing that I did have the CPS installed.
Thank You.
James
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I have a 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee, 4.7 liter engine. 205,000 miles. Engine has been literally perfect until last six months or so.
In the last week, engine has stalled three times, at very slow idle, or very low speed. I have NO problems starting the engine. Today, while traveling on the interstate at 70 mph, my engine shuts off entirely, and all of my gauges go down to zero. It was as though some one unhooked the battery and the alternator at the same time. I allowed the car to slow down to about 50 mph and all of a sudden, the gauges snap back into "normal" positions, and the engine resumes normal running, and I drive 300 more miles home without mishap, except that it again stalled twice at very low idle speeds (at red lights).
Other than these rather serious quirks, I have good engine performance. No noises, etc. I am not a mechanic, but I would have suspected a fuel delivery problem were it not for the fact that my gauges went dead, which makes me wonder about the computer module or something like that. I have done the ignition switch on and off three times in sequence, but I get no error code. Just reads "done" after the third switch. I hope to get an OBD done asap.
Within past six months I had some slow idle stalling and slow cranking problems. Based on advice here, I had the throttle body cleaned and the iac cleaned out. That took care of those problems at the time. Again, no problems starting now, just slow idle stalling, and the very weird engine and gauge shutdown at 70 mph (occurred once).
Any commnents or advice will be appreciated. What should I be checking ?
James