Mirror relocation nightmare......

I attempted to install my mirror relocation brackets today and after breaking two T40 sockets with my impact wrench I aborted the plan. Some pinheads at Jeep decided to use loose nuts on the back of the windshield bracket bolts, so it is very difficult, but possible to keep a box wrench on the nuts. However I could only get the Torx bolts to back out a few turns, then they would freeze up, eventually breaking the Torx sockets, but refusing to budge any further. So, with my last remaining socket, I tightened them back down until I buy more sockets.....grrrrrr........

First of all, why the hell doesn't Jeep mount the mirrors elsewhere to facilitate removing the doors - a unique design feature?? They haven't figured this out in 60 years??!!

Second, the threads on the cursed bolts don't have a spec of rust on them, but do have the factory paint on them. Is this what is hanging them up or is there some evil design to these bolts that keeps the nuts from backing all the way off?

Third, how do I manage to get my box wrench on the nuts on the driver's side with e-brake levers and wires all over the place. Am I going to have to remove the whole dash to even get at these damn nuts??

Fourth, since I have purchased these brackets, I have noted several people mention that with the mirrors in the new location, you can hardly see out of them. Should I just use these things as expensive paperweights and get mirrors that mount on the empty door hinge? I didn't really want to put another $100 into a pair of easily stolen mirrors, as well as adding another step every time I want to go doorless.

Suggestions??

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Dana Rohleder
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I have been there. The answer is paper weights. If you do get the mirrors on they vibrate so much it's like an acid flash back. If you are real clever buy some CJ7 mirror brackets and drill and tap your existing hinges to install them. I wish I had done that. If you do decide to go ahead with this insanity get some "CJ Aluminum Mirror Bushings" from

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There is a "gestalt" to this exercise. Believe it or not, the second time I took off my windshield hinges (to replace the bolts with stainless hex head) it was easy!

Earle

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Earle Horton

Assuming its a TJ, its only the passenger side that is hard to see out of, and only when you are running doors (IMO).

Some idiot at the factory deemed that the proper thing to use on the windsheild hinge bolts (TJ's at any rate) was BLUE locktite.

Yes the fact that they paint over the bolts is part of the problem also.

Good luck. I made the dealer break the bolts loose for me (impact wrench), and then went home and took them out and put the mirror movers on. Oh yes, and you might want to consider replacing the torx bolts with regular bolts to make it easier if you need to take the mirror movers on or off later on.

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jbjeep

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L.W.(ßill)

I drilled mine out and then put new bolts in. I know on the CJ the bolts are way up there but you can get at 'em. It just takes a few hours. I hope you bought sockets with a lifetime warranty, I ran 4 Canadian Tire Stores dry of those sockets in a weekend when I was removing all the bolts and my roll bar. I'd bust it or twist the bit and then just bring it back and they would replace it. They never even asked about the 3 foot breaker bar......

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Johnathan Marrin

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It wasn't until your Chrysler Daimler came along that they turned it> into a Jeepette and screwed it all up. Ahh - I should have known - progress............

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Dana Rohleder

I mounted CJ-style mirrors on my TJ windshield hinges. I like the way it looks, they are actually usable as mirrors, and I don't have to keep moving them back and forth when summer comes. TJim

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Thomas W.

A cheap set of Honda motorcycle mirrors will fit in the door hinge hole.

You mileage may vary with the Honda brand, but a Honda dealer carries mirrors that fit perfectly and don't vibrate.

Steve Seppala from this group has them on his.

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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Thomas W.

Well, I solved the problem by buying a $6 generic replacement mirror and attaching it to my roll bar where it meets the windshield frame with two Velcro straps. Although the particular mirror I bought is a tad smaller than I would like, at least I'm legal now. Thanks all!

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Dana Rohleder

J. C. Whitney has some Olympic 4x4 Products "Safari Mirrors" that look interesting. Here's a link:

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Earle

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Earle Horton

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however, call Bob Suplee for the best pricing on them.

Its 5 minutes to move the mirrors back and forth from the mount to the hard doors (or less if you dont drop any washers or springs).

I dont find on the TJ that they bounce around or anything. With the hard doors on it is hard to see the passenger side - but unless they drive a TJ they probably dont know that. Its on the rig and that makes you legal.

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jbjeep

Here is a cheap and easy solution for an outside mirror.

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has a bracket for about $13.00 (includesshipping) that fits into the top hinge after the door is removed. Youcan buy a $10.00 mirror at any auto supply store that will attacheasily to the bracket. For about $25.00, you're in business. Worksgreat. A lot simpler then replacing the hinges.John

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yobaby

Replacing *what* hinges?

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TJim

Windshield / upper door hinges. CJ style mirrors mount to these. They are a pain in the neck to replace, but you get bragging rights once you have done a set. ;o)

Earle

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Earle Horton

Oh, Jeez! I would *hate* to have to replace one of those, especially on an older Jeep! Every post I have seen regarding hinge removal has been a desperate plea for help. If you want to use CJ style mirrors, drill and tap the hinges. It's easier.

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TJim

ok I dont know if I got lucky or not. I have a '00 TJ and I have put on Sun Performances light mount and Mirror relcation brackets on my Jeep and I did not have a problem with removing any of my bolts. Scott '00 TJ

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SCCAFIRE

You have horseshoes up you butt.

Go buy a lotto ticket fast while the whole horse it still up there... ;-)

Mike

86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

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