Anyone seen this yet? Gresham found guilty

Before I make any kind of descision, i need more facts. What has he bodged? Why did the MOT bloke get away with it if he missed it in the same state?

But, i feel the poor family have sufferred more than enough for all this s**te.

Wot no **GINGE**?

From the coverage it's been given, I suspect the hand of the Anti-4x4 brigade. I doubt very much that the same emphasis would have made it to the reports if he'd been driving a modified Golf. Wait for the inevitible rublings and attempts to ban people modifying thier 4x4's

Alex

Is the DVD of the tests about anyplace?

Doesn't seem likely at all, that's all out of fashion now.

"Matt M" wrote

He called himself a mechanic yet had a seriously deficient vehicle and I think that is more likely the reason he was prosecuted.

Info on him...

Just wait for the EU to stop anyone working on their own vehicle .....

Where you will read: "Mr Spencer told the jury that the brake pedals were worn and that, as a result, the brake pedal had to be pressed ?pretty much down to the floor? before it began to stop the car. "

I trust that is a journalistic c*ck-up not what was 'sold' to the jury. It doesn't make any sense to me.

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One assumes that Mr Gresham had competent council who, if this was actually said, promptly challenged it.

is...

Well, lets hoping his driving was better than your linking.

In message , Matt M writes

I keep wondering if the bloody bracket might have broken when they hauled it out of the river... A landy with raised suspension is quite capable of throwing itself off the road without a bracket breaking tbh.....

Aargh! The EU is coming to get us! Help me mummy!

I suspect there has been a fair bit of editing and journalistic simplification going on. Only the phrase "pretty much down to the floor" is a verbatim quote from Mr Spencer. I can imagine Mr Spencer spending quite a while explaining how brakes work, the affects the different sized front calipers had (along with the testing evidence on DVD), the affects of wear within the system and where typical Land Rover brakes start to operate in relation to pedal travel. Probably quite an education on braking systems for many of the jury...

As for the bracket breaking to cause the accident or later during or in recovery we don't know what the witnesses saw. Maybe they heard it break, and/or saw the axle flailing about partly detached as the car tumbled into the river. Not to mention a neighbour had repeatedly seen Gresham repairing the loose rear axle.

What sentance he gets will be interesting. I'm not sure he needs to be locked up unless there is information in the reports requested by the Judge that as a "mechanic" he has been doing similar botch jobs on other peoples motors, paid or unpaid.

I think that many who have read the phrase "brake pedals were worn" have immediately assumed it meant the bit your foot pushes on. What would be the result of massive wear of the pedal pivot or clevis pin areas?

Excepting that is not what it said. Brake pedals, apparently plural? how many brake pedals did this vehicle have?

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Well I've been on the net for years and it looked fine when I sent it all so what happened I have no idea.

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I'll try again...

"JacobH" wrote

I think that may be a typing mistake, probably meant to be "brake pads" not pedals.

That's how I read it as well...