Engine problem LPG - Dealer Nightmare

I have a Disco II V8 with LPG conversion using Romano Direct injection system. During standard service noticed coolant loss and block test failed. The car is under warranty so they went and diagnosed a cylinder head gasket problem and fitted new gaskets and skimmed heads. On return the car continued to run poorly on LPG with a clear misfire and still some coolant loss although less. I took the car back to the LPG installer to check out the system in case the Land Rover dealer had put it back incorrectly. On testing Cylinder 4 was misfiring permanently but only on LPG. Changed all LPG components and plugs leads etc and still same problem. I was convinced that it was not an LPG problem. So back to the Land Rover dealer as a distinct tapping has now started, only on LPG. The tapping starts when car goes to LPG when warm and increases with more revs. The dealer has now stripped the engine and there system is reporting misfires on most cylinders on LPG but nothing on petrol. The dealer is trying to tell me that the problem is that the LPG has been cross wired to the Lambda. This does not explain coolant loss or the tapping and I had covered over 20,000 miles on LPGG prior to this problem. The bottom line is they want to charge me £1000 for stripping the engine and putting back together as the warranty people say there is not a problem. I believe I have a lose liner and potential crack in the block. I would have to prove this and incur another £1000 expense if I am wrong, using a hot pressure test. Why would they symptoms only appear on LPG and not petrol?. With these types of symptoms do you think I have a high probability of proving a lose liner or crack block or do I have another problem and should I cut my loses?

Many thanks for any help.

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Mark Lane
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Sorry, probably not what you want to hear, but if there's no reported fault on petrol, only on gas, and the ignition system has been thoroughly checked then it sounds like a problem with your LPG system. I'm not familiar with the Romano SGI so I can't comment on it. FWIW, we've been tapping into the vehicle's Lambda probes for years with no probs, using AEB Leonardo - based systems. As for coolant loss, probably a totally separate issue. Badger B.H.Engineering, Rover V8 engine builders. Landy 110 3.9V8 Auto, on gas!! BMW 330dSE Sport Auto, on valium?

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Badger

The Romana is from RPI and they have checked it out and replaced all items to ensure it was not an LPG issue like yourselves they have a lot of experience with LPG and the V8 so I would be surprised if they had missed something. Would I not have experienced some fault before this time I have been running on LPG for over 12 month and 20,000 miles with no problem it all started with the coolant loss.

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Mark Lane

I have done some more digging and found that. The LPG is not wired into the Lambda but has its own sensor so the dealer information is inaccurate.

So I am left with the following evidence.

Coolant loss - Head gasket changed and heads skimmed. Coolant loss continues. When running on LPG misfire on 4 and now tapping which has been identified as pinking so engine running to rich. Failed MOT when tested on petrol due to Lambda emission so petrol is also running to rich but the ECU is able to stop pinking.

I still think I have a very tiny crack in the block so plan to get a hot pressure test although I am concerned that it may not prove the fault as it is probably very early on in this problem. My other option is to put in a new short engine and if that solves the problem then I would be happy problem is how I prove it to the warranty people so they will pay up.

Any ideas?

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Mark Lane

Is coolant loss getting greater? My slipped liner/crack slowly developed into a great thirst. It was also noticeable that when the heads were removed that the cylinder in question was cleaner than the rest.

Pinking, or pre-ignition, is normally due to low octane or too advanced ignition which would not make sense with on LPG since the octane level is higher anyway. Also doesn't Disco II have crank sensors which mean you cannot adjust the timing? If the cylinder was running extremely weak then it could get hot enough to cause pre-ignition.

Which might relate to the lack of pinking if it was running rich and therefore cooler.

It would put to rest the crack/loss of coolant question.

Hope my contribution does not further cloud the water.

Nick

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entrepeneur

This may be a bit 'off the wall' but if you suspect (and need to prove) a cylinder to coolant leak on one cylinder, could you make up a fitting with a spark plug thread at one end connected to an airline. Pressurise the cylinder with the air and watch the coolant level in the header / overflow tank. If it rises you have a leak ! (or it may just show bubbles)

Andrew Mawson

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Andrew Mawson

Given the timing is okay, pinking means the mixture is too lean... Beth

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Beth Clarke

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