Fuel consumption and Disco's / Rangies

That sounds a bit tight - I'd tell 'em to sod off and come bck with a decent offer. Inland revenue approved rates are what you want.

Sounds like they should have plenty of money to pay you as they are paragons of parsimony on the expenses front.

you can claim the difference between the IR max and what they offer in a tax rebate, up to a point.

Plus, as I know rather a lot of bods who work there already, 13p is the norm through the organisation, so the scope to tell them to up it is miniscule.

Si

Disco 200Tdi & lt77, pootling around the Shropshire A's & B's at 60 max av

50 mph or 2500 revs is where i am most of the time, get 33 to 35 mpg. Chris 1990 200Tdi Disco

Tell them that you cannot afford to run a vehicle for that rate, and that they will need to provide you with transport for your work travel. They cannot expect you to subsidise their transport costs for them.

Anyway, my RR3.9 VougeSE does 12MPG, on either petrol or gas, so that's about 30ppm petrol and 13ppm LPG, accounting for fuel costs only. Don't forget wear and tear, servicing, depreciation etc, and the fact that your insurance premium will increase if you use your vehicle for work travel.

On or around Sat, 22 May 2004 22:28:24 +0100, "simonk" enlightened us thusly:

3.5 V8i hotwire disco: 18.6 on a run, 16 locally, but it's just had a new air cleaner and a tweak, and looks like it'll run a bit more economically now. = summat around 24p/mi, much as you said.

manual will probably be a touch more economical depending on type of motoring - I doubt it makes a lot of odds if you do fast motorway miles.

LPG should save you about 40% unless you get a bulk tank and get a decent price for bulk LPG, in which case you can take that to 50% or better. Or if you live in one of the areas where Morrisons et al are price-warring of course :-)

I doubt that a 3.5 will improve it, probably make it worse if anything.

300 TDi should get you about 30 mpg in a disco or rangie. To get equivalent performance to a 3.9 you need to tune it up a bit, though.

Other diesels, well...

the 2.5 BMW 6 is noted for lack of go...

some of the nipponese engines are very good, such as the 4.2 toyota turbo, but I doubt that'd actually get you any more MPG.

On or around Sat, 22 May 2004 22:40:26 +0100, "simonk" enlightened us thusly:

minuscule

obviously, large things are pluscule.

Same model - (probably) 3.9 Vogue SE (1992) 21 on a run (trip to Wales the other day A14/M6/M54 cruise control set at 80 and Air-Con in use)and around 19 toodling around.

Button bashing in practice for another round of Daley Thompson's Decathlon, simonk left Shakespeare to the monkeys by typing...

'73 3dr 200tdi Santana box - 39mpg at constant(ish) 50. Averaging 27-33 (not gentle).

LPG is basically same as petrol - just half the price, but the price _IS_ going to increase until it is in line with petrol (And before I get flamed for this - this was investigated by classic car lobbies etc and it is going to happen - if you reckon you can make your money back on your lpg kit in the next 5years or so, buy one) Mazda tdi (Perkins copy) - av. 29 in 5dr '87 If you're doing 50k pa, you're going to be £6.5k out of pocket. Buy a diesel (for comfort, performance, carrying and reliability - I'd recommend a DSH TD Renault Laguna / Safrane / Citroen XM(2.1 12v) or similar), and spend the rest on upgrading your RR.

I think you mean , not

IYSWIM ;-¬

in article c8oj6j$fod$ snipped-for-privacy@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk, Merlin© at snipped-for-privacy@wudumwic.freeserve.NOSPAM.co.uk wrote on 22/5/04 11:21 pm:

Classic RR - 3.5 manual I would guess at 14mpg - me driving, not heavy footed Bruce Discovery 3.5 V8i manual since cam etc fitted I'll have to let you know as we've not worked it out yet.

in article BCD5B056.9993% snipped-for-privacy@ntlorld.com, Nikki Cluley at snipped-for-privacy@ntlorld.com wrote on 23/5/04 1:35 am:

The Range Rover is a carb engine by the way and done approx 115,000 and the Disco has done 133,333(I know cos I noticed the figure earlier on today).

Si,

Bear in mind that the fuel is only part of the cost of running a car. Even on an older car that will not depreciate too much there will be other 'direct' running costs (ie costs associated with driving rather than the annual costs like tax and insurance). You should put in an allowance for servicing, tyres, brakes, oil (if it burns/leaks a lot!). Even if you do the work yourself it all adds up. When I had a V8i Disco I reckoned that the fuel costs were 21.5 p/mile and the other direct costs were another 6 p/mile. This was doing the servicing myself and did not take depreciation due to additional mileage into account.

Patrick

simonk posted ...

I have exact costs since buying my 300 Tdi Discovery manual gearbox in September last year. I haven't worried about mpg's, just the actual true costs, and put it all on a spreadsheet. We've done nearly 13000 miles since then, totally mixed driving from town to motorway to towing to off-roading .. and at 13p per mile diesel cost only. Total cost has been about 37p per mile .... ;)

Simple costings spreadsheet (MS Excel 2002) here ...

If anyone doesn't want to download the sheet, there's a jpeg (screen snapshot) of it here .. We're just about to do a full gearbox / Diffs / etc oil change, re-grease everything underneath, and general fettle and fumble, but haven't any prices on for this yet. We had one full service including timing belt and mods done by a local specialist (RCV in Doncaster), since then we've done our own service on it, and will continue to do so. Other than the services we have had absolutely no maintenance costs, other than breakages from vigorous off-roading .. ;)

On or around Sun, 23 May 2004 00:58:11 +0100, Tim Hobbs enlightened us thusly:

nah, pendant. 's a shed thing.

in the shed, someone would respond with "anglepoise"

On or around Sun, 23 May 2004 00:20:45 +0100, weallhatebillgates enlightened us thusly:

current theory is a relative price rise (compared to petrol) of 1p per litre per year over the next 3 years.

but since it's political, almost anything could happen.

at that sort of rate, it'll still be viable for a long while yet. LPG will be viable until it costs about 85% of the price of petrol, maybe 90%. valve seats excepted, it's better for the engines. look at the oil in an LPG-only engine, it stays clean and nice longer.

LPG is also a bit better for the environment in terms of exhaust gases and moreover doesn't contain the same sorts of nasty lethal stuff like benzene that unleaded does.

According to its computer, my 1998 2.5 DSE P38a does about 30mpg on a long run and 24 around town. Last year on a trip to Italy and back over the Alps twice it did 30.7. But I don't trust the computer particularly, such checks as I have done manually suggesting that the computer is optimistic by 3 or 4 mpg.

Stephen

On or around Sun, 23 May 2004 07:57:21 +0100, "Paul - xxx" enlightened us thusly:

[spreadsheet]

I've one of them that just does the "running" costs; fuel, oil, brakes, etc., but doesn't address such as insurance, MOT and so on.

The rationalisation for this is that if you run *any* vehicle, you have the fixed annual costs such as insurance tax an MOT. what you need to know really is the costs per mile of the stuff that you use per mile.

ISTR that for the diesel minibus, it worked out at about 20% of these costs were non-fuel. Which is enough to consider.

Austin Shackles posted ...

Good point, and I'm copying mine to a second page to reflect this kind of thing .. I don't play with spreadsheets much, but thought it would be interesting to use an old company one to see what the 'expensive and unreliable' Land Rover would be like .. ;)