Hammonds crash on Sunday night

On or around Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:33:12 +0000, Ian Rawlings enlightened us thusly:

you could be excused for thinking it to MS a month to write it.

On or around Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:33:22 GMT, "Julian" enlightened us thusly:

If you're on crap money you don't have to repay it. I believe it's 80% of the national average wage, which is a higher figure than I've ever earned.

You could become unpopular saying things like that! :p

I would never consider employing someone solely on the weight of a degree to their name either! (neither of our employees have degrees nor any official computing related qualifications and are both much better than most of the 'qualified' people i have met!)

I reckon that less than 20% of my degree was any use!

..and the contents of those useful modules were stuff which i had already started doing myself (I started programming stuff before going to uni) or could/would have picked up on my own.

I still feel that the most useful module i ever did at uni was the 'professional development' one where we had to present things infront of full lecture theaters!

In news: snipped-for-privacy@news.btinternet.com, Tim Jones wibbled :

Whenever I've hired owt it has always been 24hrs minimum anyway.

In news: snipped-for-privacy@news.btinternet.com, Tim Jones wibbled :

Got a lot to answer for that Mr Parkinson!

The most useful module for me was "hacking the university network", I was so good at that one I made it into a career when I left!

Well, don't forget that the IR enabled a huge number of workers to say goodbye to starvation in the countryside and enjoy much safer comfortable conditions.

Without a shadow of a doubt. I worked nights for 9 years, and the extra 5K on the salary was great. Life is good at night, the normal management suspects are out of the way and there's a good 'team spirit' among the workforce at nights. 12 hour shifts, 4 on 4 off, that's a 4 day holiday every 4 days, brilliant.

It seems to have been overlooked that the number of

Have you overlooked the fact that you only need 1/3 the total number of machines - that's the biggest factor by any yardstick.

That must be where I went wrong. I believe I had the skills before I went up, I learned how best to use them and a whole pile of facts/knowledge with which to. I got a lot of respect for Radio Ops, proper sparkies in my book! How to fix your set with an AVO and a screwdriver in a force 9!

Now that is an oxymoron if ever I saw one, Microsoft and Engineer?

I missed BBC's but my mate says that they allocated admin access using the network ID of the machine. If you opened up a machine and changed the ID you could get all the admin stuff on any machine!

to an extent i agree! I never got caught ;) - but i have not even seen any signs that they have been able to do anything they shouldnt have been. No unexplained crashes or changes.

The caliber of the ones we have caught has been fairly useless! I told the last lot that they were stupid for having got caught (if they can put that much effort in just to get a banned web page up they almost deserve it!)

As bad as the bloody welsh

"Tim Jones" wrote :-

I *know* they would be the same otherwise I would hire from someone else. If you paid for a 'days' hire(a day being 24 hrs when I went to school) and didn't get to use what you had hired for either a full or part day then I think a claim for compensation would be in order. I can't believe what you just said, how do you cost your jobs?

Martin

But a thrid of the machines depreciating 3 times as fast leaves us back in the same place. So where is the cost saving people are harping on about?

I doubt any business minded hire firm would see it that way. Given an increase in the average use of hired machines, the average cost of hire would obviously have to go up to cover the costs incurred. Do you know much about business?.

I don't get involved in job costings as such. If I did and went about it in the naively over optimistic manner of some of the proponents of

I suspect you are failing to appreciate how the machines are hired, if indeed they are hired at all. Big contractors don't tend to trot along to the nearest backstreet tool hire coompany like some weekend DIY enthusiast. They are far more likely to have a longer term lease hire agreement, I would be very surprised if such agreements didn't take into account the amount of hours that the user put on the machine.

Whilst it may well be possible to make some savings by working round the clock, the over simplistic view of the arrangement expressed by some around here tends to paint a very optimistic level

I think you'er viewing it through rose tinted spectacles ;)

Unfortunately theres not so many that see it that way these days ;(

That's total nonsense. If so then companies like Hapag-LLoyd and BA would have ships and planes littering the surface of the planet standing idle for much of the time! The way to maximise return from investment in machinery is to keep it working - Do Landrover have three production lines for a model, rather than one, and shut them down for 2/3 of the day to stop them depreciating too fast? Sorry, I don't think your argument will wash with many here.

Julian.