So, I've got a 1972 series 3 88. I decide to rebuild with- Shortened range rover chassis Range rover axles Coil suspension Engine conversion of some sort. Some panels replaced, some sourced from a 90 and modified to fit. New bulkhead etc etc Okay, a little low on detail but you get the general idea...
As I understand it the new vehicle would be required to pass the SVA and given a Q plate? Although perhaps careful selection of parts may enable the original range rover registration to be used? And the tax exception status would be lost?
I've not carried out anything like this but it seems to me that there's a lot of modified land rovers out there that are potentially registered incorrectly and probably with invalid insurance cover as a result? (and exposing the owner to possible prosecution)?
During stardate 5 Oct 2005 11:41:49 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com uttered the imortal words:
Yes , you just about hit the nail on the head. If it's got coils it's highly unlikely to be a true tax exempt vehicle, unless it's an early Rangie of course.
Lee D
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Hi, I bought a replacement galvanised chassis for my '69 lightweight from Designa. It was modified, before galvanizing, to take R/R axles and coils etc. They assured me it would still count towards the points as a new replacement chassis, obviously dropping points on the suspension etc. Can anybody confirm if this is correct? Also to get the rest of the points, it will need a 2A engine and box. Do these need to be the original ones, or just from the same period?
I suspect Designa are wrong about the chassis, if the key phrase is "manufacturer's original specification". My own understanding of the system is that the points total is on a same-vehicle basis, with the chassis as a specific exception.
I'm not sure what the situation might be if a vehicle has a replacement engine a few years before a major rebuild. Would a one piece at a time rebuild eventually trigger a Q-plate requirement?
On or around 5 Oct 2005 11:41:49 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com enlightened us thusly:
Seen one for sale today: Series III, on an A-suffix number, "tax exempt". Hmmm. A-suffix numbers are 1963, series III not built until 1971. Yeah, right.
Most likely it's a ringer - possibly, it's a series III body on a 1963 chassis, which I imagine is possible - if you had a decent chassis and a rotten SIII it would be an option.
Hi, I wasn't talking about building a new Lightweight from scratch, then claiming it to be tax exempt. I have actualy got the original one, (rotting slowly into my back garden). Part of the trouble is that the engine was swapped for a V8 by a previous owner.
When it looked like time to give up on the rotting chassis, it seemed like a good time to change to coils/ disks etc. Its starting to look like I may have to Q plate the new one, (if I ever get it finished). Then start repairing the old one, rather than scrap the bits, as intended.
There is still enough left of the first one to retain the identity, i.e. chassis, steering, suspension, axles. I just dont want to be still rebuilding it into my old age!
Are the DVLA saying that the use of a chassis other than a genuine Land Rover replacement, such as Designa, Marsland or Richard's, will cause the recieving vehicle to loose its identity?
Or just had new front wings - that's the most obvious thing to distinguish a 2 and a 3. Front panel's different as well, but the S2 front panel is pretty hard to find, so again, it's a likely swap.
Could also be a '71-'73 Series 3, but with an older plate on it (less likely)
During stardate Mon, 10 Oct 2005 15:19:41 +0100, Tim Hobbs uttered the imortal words:
I recall one of the two has webbing on the gearbox cross member and the other doesn't. Should sort the ringers from the rebodied ones.
Other things to look for..
rear lights location, steering wheel, dashboard (big give away), door hinges, smaller wheel nuts on early II's and II a's.
Percy had a centre IIa grill with later wings fitted when I got him, fortunatey everything else was IIa sytlie including the smaller wheel nuts. (Then - now got stage 1 axles.... amoungst a couple of other minor mods :0))
Lee D
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On or around Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:38:37 +0100, mark enlightened us thusly:
no, putting 1963 plates on a series 3 makes it a ringer. If ICBA (which is unlikely) I'd go and look at it and see what sort of chassis number plate it has...
During stardate Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:38:37 +0100, mark uttered the imortal words:
True , I was refering to supposed genunie tax exempt early landies which are in fact sIII's which have been rung, I failed to mention that though.
No true but the first thing I would look for is a shell that doesn't shout II or IIa if I was looking to knock some one off for deception, like if I was having a real vindictive day. Then you have reasonable grounds to get real nosey for the finer detail under a real good exam under seizure of the vehicle. Any way this all sounds far too much like a canteen conversation. I was hoping that my pointers my help others less clued up from being fleeced by some evil landrover doode.
Later ones , I forget the date but am a little surprise one so young has smaller nuts. I think it was the late 60's. A google should reveal the answer as it's been discussed in this group quite a few times.
Thing is once the government work out that the likes of rung landies are costing them road excise then they will just scrap it rather than spend more chasing up the tax dodgers. Well thats my cycical outlook anyway.
And no I've yet to actually knock someone off for having a rung landie, but it winds me up a treat when I and others have to pay through the nose to see others taking the preverbial pee, especially as the system restricts how far I can modify Percy before risking loss of the tax exemption.
Lee D
-- Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiam. Winston Churchill
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In news: snipped-for-privacy@martem.demon.co.uk, mark typed: | In message , Lee_D | writes || I recall one of the two has webbing on the gearbox cross member and || the other doesn't. Should sort the ringers from the rebodied ones. | | Ah but a replacement chassis can be identical for 2a's and series 3's | :) || || Other things to look for.. || || rear lights location, steering wheel, dashboard (big give away), door || hinges, | | A series 3 body doesn't make it a ringer. | || smaller wheel nuts on early II's and II a's. | | My May 1972 has small wheel nuts, did any 2a's have big nuts? | | | -- | Mark Roberts
Series 2A went to 27 mm a/f wheel nuts in 1969, when the headlights went outside the radiator panel
There's no end to it :) Mine is a 2a safari (soon to have a series 3 hardtop body, bulkhead, breakfast etc) and it has axles with small nuts from god knows when. It also should have a salisbury back axle I think which I am nicking off the series 3 so that it is original again :) Maybe someone put even older axles on it at some time :)
Hi Austin The first thing I think when I see an A-suffix, is. It's almost certainly not going to be a 1963 vehicle. 'Cos The first national suffix was 1964-B The 1963 was a trial run, only done in one or two areas. A-suffix, vehicles were as rare as hens teeth until :-
DVLA started breaking there own rules by using up the unallocated A's for anyone, anywhere, re-registering any age vehicles. This was before the age related scheme came in. I believe DVLA will swap these A-suffix for an age related number now. Free of charge! They must have realized they'd made a c*ck up.:-)
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