PTO for the allotment

mmmm, true that it was one of the original design function but i believe it rarely gets used and mainly continued through the years for decoration. their were a few products designed to be run off the pto, i have seen pics of a lovely little series 1 with a lawn-mower attached on the back, and a number of landy fire-engines use the pto for the water-pump, but in actual fact it gets used on very very few vehicls, besides the capstan winch.

sorry eddy, but in my experience with landies, the pto has merely been an interesting styling feature, a good talking point and a very good idea (kinda like communism) but one that an actual fact was not particularly useful due to it's very limited nuumber of applications.

anyone going to prove me wrong and list 100's of other uses for the pto??? i am actually interested to here what else it's been used for.

cheers.

I'd have to disagree - while PTO is not used much for "agricultural" attachments, it gets used a lot by utility companies to drive compressors, generators and the like!

Richard

ah, now where could I find a pto 2nd hand and is it a universal fitting as per modern agric machinery? it may be possible to then hire a rotivator/cultivator.

keep this thread rolling :-) eddy

i am not being sarcastic or argumentative, but could you tell me what they are used a lot for? is that air compressors? and i suppose, electricity generators? i have never really seen the pto actually be used for anything besides a winch. and as the original post was regarding it's agricultural use for ploughs, have you any knowledge about attachments for ploughing?

as eddy has said, keep this thread rolling, i am also interested.

cheers. sammy.

It wouldn't be as simple a just hiring something - the reason that PTO powered agricultural implements fell to the wayside is that, togther with much more powerful tractors, the required PTO speed changed, and I'm failry sure LR never did anythig about this. Whether a rear (as opposed to center) PTO can be found - well, there must be some out there somewhere! The PTO requiremnets for Quads are different again!

Richard

They use the Centre PTO to drive underfloor equipment, for power tools, air tools and the like (even welders!). I've seen rear PTO's being used at shows, but never "for real" - but I'll bet someone is still using one for a saw bench or similar.

I've never heared of a LR being used for ploughing, just harrowing, spraying and the like, and powering static machinery like pumps, saw benches, threshers, et al.

Richard

i may just be a little cynical, but i think that that is precisely the situation. the pto has great potential use but for some reason or another, it never really took off. of course there are going to be plenty of rover fanatics who will continue to use obselete or useless machinery simply because it is related to rovers (such as those you've possibly seen at the shows?) or even made machinery themselves, but in practical terms, it was never realy a viable proposition.

i'll also bet that there are still people that are using the welder land-rovers for it's original purpose. though i think the saw only ever got to prototype level or maybe my memory is failing me (shouldn't be at 17, but copious amounts of foster's will help that along). but most of these people will be doing so because they love rovers.

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I have ,apparently (I was told so by the previouse keeper), a centre mounted PTO on my Srs One,but not being able to identifie it positively I can't say.

Center PTO did take off (pardon the pun!) - big time - as evidenced my it being available for Defenders, LR would not have done the design work if no one was using it! Get hold of a Special Vehicles brochure for details...

Again see LR's brochures and books about 50's and 60's farming - plenty of evidence of their use.

Richard

a farmer I know who keeps ewes on 450 acres uses his LR with a hopper/spreader to distribute NPK granular fertiliser. he has a honda atv and a car but no tractor....not needed even for haymaking when he hires in contractors. he has no desire to get rid of his pto and has used it since the early 60s.

I assume a 'home built' one or two share plough would need pto to an hydraulic pump for lift and depression. I would have thought that at one time there must have been some form of cultivator adaptable to the LR pto, perhaps some 4-6' wide.

eddy

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Probably something like 1% of Landrovers have used the gearbox PTO for various applications, mostly hydraulics such as tipping trays, (note: the capstan winch does not use it, but uses the front of the crankshaft), but very few of these would have been for agricultural purposes, and most of these for driving fixed machinery such as hammer mills, feed choppers etc. What happened is that by the time the Landrover came on the scene in the fifties, the power of tractors increased. Remember that even though a Series 1 was rated at about 60hp, this is peak engine brake horsepower, not continuous PTO or drawbar horsepower. From a tractor point of view, the maximum power of a Series 1 Landrover would be 25-30hp, and by the fifties this was a very small tractor. Tractors this small became used only in restricted areas, and the Landrover has too large a turning circle for these. JD

Well they had a Series 111 doing ploughing at the Chertsey Agricultural Assc's annual Ploughing Match a few years ago and you could use it to have a go yourself for a small fee. Unfortunately I didn't have time. Didn't use the PTO, just pulled the single bladed plough like a tractor (or horse) and seemed to be doing a good job.

That'll be the front PTO then!!

Unless I've missed something, that's exactly what I said!! Oh, and I forgot the other main reason for rear PTO's not being used - the hydraulic lifty-thing that carries equipment was never a practical proposition, so a lot of things like spreaders etc could not even be fitted sensibly at all - however, see the previous post to yours to see an example of rear PTO's still being used. Indeed not more than three miles from here are three Land Rover 110's adapted for use on road and rail for maintainance purposes, and they have all sorts of gizmo's run off PTO's - something to do with drainage.

There's plenty of small tractors still in use in these parts, indeed two companies still manufacture "Little Grey Fergie" copies (both red though!)

Richard

Yes, I was agreeing but amplifying what you said.

Yes, three point linkage equipment is less practical with the Landrover, although there was a three point linkage designed for it - but I don't know if any were sold! Again, by the time you add the hydraulics to run the 3PL, the 3PL itself, the rear PTO, the governor to keep engine speed constant, the oil cooler specified for this application, you would have spent almost as much as you would on a TEA20 or similar (these were made in vastly greater numbers than Landrover PTOs etc, hence lower prices) - however, see the previous post to yours to see an

Other than garden tractors, there would be few sold round here under 100hp, and the most common probably 200hp, but market gardens (very few round here) would buy a small number of Grey Fergie sized ones. Mind you, with the drought and the effects of overseas farm subsidies, not many farmers have new tractors, and there are a lot of old ones about! For example, mine is nearly forty years old, and I think my nearest neighbours are both using tractors between 10 and 20 years old (all in the 70-150hp range) JD

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The only time I ever witnessed a PTO in use was with a saw bench by a chap selling firewood in sacks. Did a good job, too.

Strangely enough, our 'Boom-Bang' Series L/R came equipped with a PTO which I've never used. It's fitted with pulley wheels at the moment but would be simple enough to switch over to a driveshaft.

Whereabouts in the UK are you? We're in the middle of moving from Northamptonshire to the Isle of Mull.

Cheers Gary

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There's the good old Fairey o/d, for which the PTO is vital.

I've seen the council mowing school fields with a D90 with a PTO mower pulled behind. The whole contraption was making this weird and loud whining racket.

Lancaster, some 2 miles from junction 34

We could talk I think

eddy bayton

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