> Beth and I were chatting today and were trying to remember if Land Rover has
> ever sold automatic Series or 90/110 Land Rovers. I know they've sold lots
> with autos at the shiny end (indeed I used to own a very nice auto Rangie)
> but neither of us could remember if they've ever done an auto in a "proper"
> Land Rover.
>
> Could someone give us chapter and verse?
Not "officially" in the UK, but they did in the USA market on the 90's.
There have been specials, like the Tomb Raider machine though.
On or around Thu, 28 Aug 2003 18:36 +0100 (BST), snipped-for-privacy@the-hug.org (Paul Oldham) enlightened us thusly:
I've made me own...
V8 plus ZF 4-speed/Borg warner transfer box, ex Range-Rover. not too difficult. would've probably been easier if I'd started from a V8 LR, not a
4-cylinder, but still, it was a fairly painless conversion. You lose the centre seat, as you need the gear shift there, you can have a suitable cubby box/console affair if you're bothered about the looks.
I wouldn't go back, it's a fine tool thus equipped. If I had about 1100 quid, I'd exchange the box/transfer box for an ashcroft rebuilt set, as they're both pretty worn. The 'box has taken to squealing sometimes at take-off, however, I suspect what it's really doing is trying to take off in the wrong gear, as if you over-ride it into first it doesn't have problems. Probably a brake band slipping, or something. But this box has done well over 100,000 miles, and with unknown maintenance.
Ha! Friend of mine has just had his box blow, allbeit 30-odd thousand miles after fitment. Guess who rebuilt it..... Ashcroft! No prizes for guessing who won't be supplying the next box! Tell-tale not to contemplate his last (incomplete) long-ish journey should have been the swarf found when replacing the screen filter!!!! If my box ever needs doing, I'll do it myself as all the parts are easily available.
Drop the oil, remove the sump pan (T27 torx), remove and either replace or clean the pickup filter Austin. A partially choked filter is the most common cause of this squeal, not heard in 1 due to pump supplying a higher pressure to clutches when in 1. Lower pressure supplied in D, look at hyd flow diagrams if you can get hold of them. I'd scan them in but my scanner's u/s.
On or around Fri, 29 Aug 2003 18:00:24 +0100, "Badger" enlightened us thusly:
aha. Will give it a go. Anything that avoids serious effort or thought :-)
I did have instructions for brake band adjustment on the Borg Warner 35, but the vehicle which had that has long since departed to the scrapyard.
filter screen hasn't been done for ages on this one, it did get mostly-new oil however when it was fitted, as the lot who removed it pulled it off leaving the TC on the engine, and let half the fluid out. drained the box and refilled it during the install.
1986 90, changed to V8, ZF 4 speed auto, and I made my own cubby box and moved the lever forward with a home made gearbox tunnel. Can still have the centre seat if needed.
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have loads more pics if anybody wants to see something specific. Richard
Pantelis, parts are available as you say from landrover. Alternative is to make friends with your local auto box refurbishing company and they'll probably sell you the bits. I made friends some years back with a company in Preston, England but I can't remember their name now! If I'm planning an auto box rebuild I'll drop in past them when I'm heading down south at some time. (I'm in the north of Scotland). Badger.
Problem, as quoted in my previous message, is that LR here in Greece is charging an arm and a leg for the friction plates (as if they were gold plated or something) and ZF does not sell them retail.
To be frank with you I have not tried asking the Ashcrofts for a price quotation for a set. I think this may be a good idea.
On or around Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:24:47 +0100, Austin Shackles enlightened us thusly:
well, after seeing how difficult the sump was to get off, I'd hazard a guess it's never been done. Sheared one bolt, and the funny thing is iffy-looking too. Other 5 sump bolts came out. Filler tube required serious effort to undo.
Screen filter does look crappy. I'm gonna see if I can source a new one tomorrow morning - doesn't look too easy to get it clean, and what with the amount of effort in getting the sump off (gearbox crossmember has to come off too) and the need for lots of oil to re-fill it, I'm unkeen to repeat the exercise any sooner than I have to. In theory, I could reverse flush the filter unit and get it clean, in practice, I bet that doesn't work. Pity the thing doesn't come apart, really.
????? My just keeps going up and up. Can give one or two people a nasty surprise. I heard the engine is actually detuned compared to the RR but I don't know how true that is.
On or around Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:59:53 +0100, Austin Shackles enlightened us thusly:
Well; new filter fitted (tight gits not supplying the 2 O-rings, on a
25-quid-plus part...) and quite why it needs T27 size screws eludes me.
However, refilled with clean oil (well, nearly, 's a slow process, wot with it needing checking cold and at idle). Seems to be shifting more smoothly, and no obvious signs of squealing, although it wasn't doing that every time. Oil was pretty dirty, so I guess it was worth it. Wonder if you can filter it...:-)
I see the book says that you should do this (oil and filter) every 24,000 or every 2 years. Bet not many of 'em get *that* done. It also says every month if you're operating in arduous conditions...
Austin, I assume you have the ZF 4 speed box. Where did you get the parts from? I'd like to change the filter screen on my Discovery. Can you tell me exactly whats needed please. Thanks Richard
On or around Tue, 02 Sep 2003 08:24:02 GMT, "Richard" enlightened us thusly:
local rover dealer, 27 quid inc vat.
There are 2 O rings, and a big rubber gasket thing on the sump. There are also 6 bolts with (on mine) funny cast alloy pieces (the book show pressed steel ones which wouldn't have seized like mine did...) which hold the sump on, there are now 5 on mine, buggrit. still, it seems to stay attached so far.
I spose to do the job right, you want the sump seal, 2 O rings, filter and about 6 litres of ATF. To do it on the cheap, you just need the filter ;-)
seriously, the sump seal was OK on mine. If it was dodgy, it's be sensible to replace it, ditto the 2 O rings. You'll also need a Torx 27 bit to undo the screws on the filter. On mine, I had to drop the gearbox crossmember (4 bolts, much swearing), dunno if this applies to Discos or indeed to Range Rovers. Range Rover HBOL describes the procedure, but makes no mention of whether you need the crossmember off. Disco HBOL says to get the dealer to do it (!!) - Haynes are going downhill, IMHO. RAVE for the disco says to drop the crossmember.
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