Re: More Infor on BioDiesel

Just what exactly do you find stupid about goverments taxing all road users the same amount to drive?

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Chris Phillipo
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What idiot farmer is going to farm something that yeilds less than $90 per acre.

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Chris Phillipo

The Independent wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@web-ster.com:

If it does come to that sort of situation , you may do well to look at powering a perol power genset from woodgas . Not a whole comunity as alan carries on about , but a small producer unit big enought to run a small engine. They burn anything that will burn , literaly , coal ,wood ,old tyres ... if things get realy desperate , it may not always be real easy to locate vege oil or fat to turn into bio- diesel , but we always got crap laying around what will burn...

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Myal

On or around Fri, 14 May 2004 22:40:58 -0300, Chris Phillipo enlightened us thusly:

sorry, but that's crap. There's far more diesel (fuel oil) produced and used in the world than there is gasoline. all the trucks run on it, a hello f a lot of trains run on it, all the motor ships, half the central heating...

fact is, most of the fractional distillation products of crude oil are now being used, especially with a rise int he use of LPG (mostly Propane) for vehicles, which is the stuff that used, in the old days, to be flamed off.

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Austin Shackles

On or around Fri, 14 May 2004 22:42:28 -0300, Chris Phillipo enlightened us thusly:

and where, pray, do you get the electricity?

remember, if you want to do a serious job of replacing gasoline with hydrogen, you're talking about having to process millions of gallons per day.

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Austin Shackles

On or around Fri, 14 May 2004 22:44:19 -0300, Chris Phillipo enlightened us thusly:

nothing, or rather, nothing unusual anyway. In the UK we have one of the highest fuel tax rates in the world, and it shows no sign of restricting car use as a result, which is one (minor) stated aim. Of course the major aim is to raise lots of money so we can go and bomb Iraq.

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Austin Shackles

Well, at about 179 gallons per acre, that would be 280,000,000 acres to supply that much for every person in America a year (rapeseed/canola)...

There are about 1,920,000,000 acres in the Lower 48. That's about 1/6 of the land planted in rapeseed to supply only a fraction of the fuel needed to run the country.

That's ALL the arable land remaining in the Lower 48. There was originally twice that, but it has been destroyed by roads, parking lots, buildings, dams, overgrazing, pollution from cities/factories/mines/refineries, and industrial agriculture...

AC

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Alan Connor

Actually its necessary to pay for the Socialist entity called the United Kingdom.

Gunner

That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there. - George Orwell

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Gunner

Some things running on anything that will burn...

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no.point

Actually its worse - for all production of biodiesel, you need to account for the diesel used in preparing the ground, planting, harvesting and transport of the crop. Plus the oil equivalent of the fertiliser, herbicides and pesticides used in the production of the crop. The actual amounts involved will depend on where the crop is grown.Taking this into account for any biofuel makes them look a lot less attractive from the ecological point of view, and if you are relying on a high oil price to make the biofuel economically attractive this has to be taken into allowed for; the cost of production rises nearly as fast as the oil price since fuel is a major input to modern agriculture. JD

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JD

That they make using environmentally unfriendly fuels as attractive or indeed more attractive to the motorist than renewable energy.

Perhaps you should stop carrying your brain around in a bucket? Just a suggestion like.

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Steve Firth

Actually that brings up an interesting question. How is the electricity made for the production of hydrogen. Seems to me that not only do you have to produce the hydrogen but you must have a way of collecting it and then storing it.

The only thing I can think of is you need to have sufficient solar cell capacity to run electrolysis of water and a small electric driven compressor to compress the hydrogen into a tank of some sort.

In any case while you think you are getting the energy from the hydrogen you are really using solar energy that has been stored for use later.

The Independent

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The Independent

That is why we are not doing it now.

The Independent

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The Independent

Christ on a bike do people as stupid as you get let near a computer without an adult to look after you?

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Steve Firth

What the hell does that have to do with the fact that it's a by product of gasoline refining? Large equipment runs on it because it's cheaper, it's cheaper because it's a byproduct of gasoline production, GET IT?

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Chris Phillipo

It would yield less than that unless you are suggesting that the world will be willing to pay double the current price of gasoline for it.

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Chris Phillipo

Well in iceland they get it from geothermal and produce hydrogen right at the gas station.

No shit.

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Chris Phillipo

Sorry chucklehead but you argument doens't fly. There's nothing more environmentally friendly about burning home brewed fuel in a home modified car.

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Chris Phillipo

That would depend on where you are. Options are geothermal, wind, hydroelectric, solar. That's the whole point of decentralization, you don't need one giant power plant, you want many smaller sources.

Obviously. And the only reason we don't do that now with batteries is that batteries are highly inefficient in storing energy where as hydrogen is nearly 100% efficient.

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Chris Phillipo

Get your head out of the shit pile greenie, you don't know what you are talking about. While you dream of a magical future world where everything is made of hemp and you can sit on your ass and toke up all day long, there are actually hydrogen filling stations producing hydrogen ON SITE, RIGHT NOW. Seems they droped the ball in the UK, luckily Canada is stil running with it.

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Chris Phillipo

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