SVO and Biofuels Simplification

There was a thread here recently about a change to the regulations from

HMRC regarding "small producers" i.e. less that 2,500 litres per year.

I was unclear if there was a difference between a "producer" and a

"user" in particular I still had concerns that if I used straight SVO

(e.g. from Tescos, Makros etc.) I may still be liable to excise duty.

Therefore I penned an e-mail (if you can pen an e-mail?) to the HMRC for

clarification. I received an e-mail back before Christmas asking for a

postal address as they felt it was too complicated to reply by e-mail.

I duly replied (although I did wonder is this was an easy way of getting

my address to dip my tank:-) nevertheless I sent an e-mail back with my

address details.

I have just received a written reply from the HMRC and I quote:

"I can confirm that if you use less than 2,500 litres of [new or used]

straight vegetable oil [SVO] [rapeseed vegetable oil, Tesco cooking oil,

etc] per annum as road fuel in your diesel car, you will not have to pay

and excise duty to HMRC."

"Therefore I would suggest that all receipts of purchase are kept for

the fuel that propels your vehicle plus a record in litres of the

vegetable oil/biodiesel used in case the 2,500 litres limit per annum is

exceeded. Please see public notice 179E section 4.9 to 4.12 for full

details."

So, whilst it may have been obvious to the rest of you, I am happy now

as I have it in writing!

Makros here I come!

Cheers

Peter

Reply to
puffernutter
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any chance of emailing me a scanned copy of the letter? (remove obvious

spam trap in my email)

I'd quite like a copy of it in writing on official paper! :)

Ta

Reply to
Tom Woods

Now don't rush to step forward ... who's going to be honest and keep

receipts for cooking oil over the 2500 litre allowance?

It's also not clear from anything that I've seen how the 2500 litres is

allocated. As it has been described in relation to 'producer' one has to

assume that it is not per vehicle. So per household? per person (any age

limit?)? per individual address? Anyone know?

Reply to
Dougal

I have read that a person can be a producer, and therefore hubby and wife

can be two producers in the same house - therefore 5000 litres :-)

Would need checking tho

Reply to
Si K

The whole thing seems very Mel Brooks'ian ( The Producers :-) ) and ill

thought out which seems about typical of the way we are governed and served

. Another two lots of medical files gone awol and 1/2 million forces

recruitment files -brewery outing anyone?

Derek

Reply to
Derek

I will put it up on my website so that you can all read it / copy it etc.

Cheers

Peter

Reply to
puffernutter

puffernutter wibbled

Nice one.

er ... URL ?

;)

Reply to
Paul - xxx

The other thing that some raised else where I think is this 2500l, 2500l

of SVO or 2500l once cut with diesel...

That sort of fits my notion that "a producer" would be a legal entity,

that is an individual person or other body considered a legal entity, a

Limited Co. for example. Though I suspect HMr&C might take a dim view of

husband and wife claiming there 2500l each.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

I think that you could argue that it's based on 100 percent SVO - that

would tie in with the receipts that they demand. Who's to tell six

months down the road whether your one litre of Tesco's best was used

neat or diluted with diesel.

Somewhere there should be an explanation. At the moment it seems to me

to be 'per person'. Then you'd presumably have to be careful to have

'sold to him' and 'sold to her' recepits.

Reply to
Dougal

!!

Give a lad a break will ya!

I said I will! I need to take it to work today, not to scan but to

convert it to pdf.

It will be up somewhere tonight and when it is I will post the URL!

Cheers

Peter

Reply to
puffernutter

puffernutter wibbled

No worries ... ;)

Reply to
Paul - xxx

Having re-read the copy of the letter from HMR&C, yes it is, according to

that letter 2500l of SVO.

There should be a definition somewhere but like most things the government

do it won't have been throught through properly by someone who understands

what is required. I don't think you'd need "sold to him/her" recepits as

there is no reference to the SVO being used in any individual vehicle you

could put 25l into a hundred cars to 2500l into one... I can't see what is

to stop more than 2500l being used in any given vehicle, the limit is on

the "producer" not vehicle.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

Strangely...

I trotted around to Costco for my usual 60 litre "now and again" 25% mix

only to see the price had gone up by 50% !

Now going for around 70 (or was it 75) p/l

Couldn't be arsed to juggle the big cans and risk dribbling oil on the

drive and more often than not my jeans.

I think I'll call it a day for my SVO use. We have a 2 chip shops next

door to the shop, but juggling old cans of WVO and faffing about with

filters and associated mess would also be more hassle than it's worth,

so my old beast is back on pure diesel through the books.

:¬(

Reply to
Pet - www.GymRatZ.co.uk

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I'll take it down again in a while.

Cheers

Peter

Reply to
puffernutter

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Still 56p/l for "Pura" rapeseed oil at Tescos here, but they're limiting

it to 10l/person/visit - just means taking 2 trolleys round when I shop

with the Mrs to get the 35l for my 50% mix. I tried to find a cheaper

source for bulk supplies, but the only way I could find to get more than

a couple of pence/l saving was by the tanker load - 30,000l :-(

Will

Reply to
Will Wilkinson

puffernutter wibbled

Appreciated that, and very good news. ;)

Thanks.

Reply to
Paul - xxx

Will Wilkinson wibbled

That's exactly what we've found.

Scrounge round tesco's / Sainsburys and Pura is 56p / litre ... I

generally clear [1] the shelves, doesn't seem to have caught on here

much.

We watched one day, they were re-filled within half an hour!

Reply to
Paul - xxx

Ta!

it is indeed a bit vague on whether a 'producer' is a single person, or

a single address (it mentions registering your 'premises' if you go over

the limit).

Not that this is going to trouble me :)

Reply to
Tom Woods

On or around Mon, 21 Jan 2008 21:04:18 +0000, "Pet -

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enlightened us thusly:

yeah, I looked into it a few weeks ago and the days of buying 20-litre drums

for a tenner seem to be fast-disappearing. Bearing in mind that I'd only

want to run 50% max, if it's costing much more than 50ppl, it's not worth

the hassle and effort - bearing in mind that I'd be looking at a 30 or 40

mile journey to collect SVO in bulk, unless I went for real bulk and got a

ton of it delivered, but that's a big lump in money terms.

Meanwhile the pump price of dino round here is now 111.9 and even the fuel

card has gone up this week (having been more or less stable the last 3

weeks) so I don't see any reductions in sight. Pretty soon I'll be on to

the council for more money, which won't please them. But the price I'm

working for now was set last summer, and the fuel's gone up 10% since then,

at least, and frankly, I don't see why I should pay it out of my (small)

cut.

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Austin Shackles

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