Tires, tires, tires

Bollocks! The populist folklore in this part of the real world says "Don't be so bloody tight and spend another £100 on a matching tyre. :-)

Martin

Reply to
Oily
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Since when did sense come into the MOT?

Reply to
GbH

Yes the rubber is much softer

Reply to
Marc Draper

Heh - I only became aware of the significance of the "they don't check the spare" rule when a popular and well known chain of tyre, exhaust & other consumable item fitters stuck 4 new tyres on my car pre-mot. 1 of the tyres was a different size to the 3 others (a fail), but the old good spare was the same size as the three, so the MOT tester (my brother in law) swapped the wrong for the spare, passed and filled me in on the legal requirement.

However, if one had a very shagged spare in plain view on a carrier the station may recommend a fresh one. :)

Reply to
Allen

Two words.

Space Saver.

P.

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Paul S. Brown

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4.1 Tyres This inspection applies to Tyres fitted to the road wheels only. The vehicle presenter should be informed when it is noticed that there is a defective tyre on a spare wheel.

So you'll get an advisory for a duff spare but shouldn't fail. My new thing for today "spare tyres don't have to be legal for the MOT". Of course it is probably very advisable for it to be legal 'cause if you have to use a non-legal spare you'll be commiting an offence.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

Five words.

They should be made illegal.

Bloody stupid putting styling ahead of safety, I've seen lots of drivers exceeding 80 kph (50 mph) with one of those fitted which is the speed most of them seem to be rated for.

Martin

Reply to
Oily

That'll be why then!

Reply to
Rich B

I had to fit Wranglers on the RR4.6 and they seemed to be well on the way out by 10k. The TracEdges I had on the 90 had done 30k when I took them off, and they were about half-worn. I suppose 60bhp vs 225bhp may have had something to do with it :-)

Reply to
Rich B

I won't buy a vehicle with one - who wants to have to change a wheel twice, to say nothing of being unable to use the vehicle normally?

I'd love to have the opportunity of going through all the pre-sale rigmarole for a new car and then refuse to complete the deal on 'discovering' that the space saver spare was the only option.

Reply to
Dougal

Sounds good to me. ;-)

And anyway, many new cars are now fitted with tiny spares so indeed, this can't be illegal.

Fred

Reply to
Fred Labrosse

Come on Martin we know that for the tools who drive those cars Merc BMR's etc laws are there only for other people, I dont remember the last time I saw a BMW driver on the handsfree I do recall the last three driving round roundabouts one handed with a mobile clamped to one ear. Derek

Reply to
Derek

Heh, that would be hilarious. Maybe then designers or stylists will work round fitting a proper spare wheel in the first place. I hadn't thought about changing the wheel twice though, that can be a PITA.

Martin

Reply to
Oily

On or around Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:48:25 -0000, "Rich B" enlightened us thusly:

Granted the disco and the 110 were both 3.5 V8s, so had a bit more tyre-eating ability. The SIII tyres seem to last for ages, but then it hardly does much mileage, either.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

On or around Tue, 26 Feb 2008 18:33:58 -0000, "Oily" enlightened us thusly:

I agree, space saver spares are silly, especially on a motor which has enough room to carry a full-size one.

However, the same rules mean that you can use a 7.50 (radial, mind) as a temporary-use spare for a LR fitted with 235/85s, or even with something like 31x10.5R15. Provided you accept that there may be handling compromises and modify your driving accordingly, of course.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

I have been specialising in 4x4 tyres for over 20 years and by far the most popular over the years with the L/Rover tribe has been the BFG Trac Edge, it's a shame that when you find a tyre that suits almost every condition they stop producing it.

It is fact that you should only fit the 235 section tyre on a 6J wheel rim, what about "Wolf" rims ?, I think we have a set of new tubeless rims in stock.

The 750x16 size is getting hard to find but we have got Michelin XZL and XPC's in at the moment.

MOT testers don't seem to look at tyre enough in my opinion, judging by the state of some of the tyres we change, we get the comments like "it only passed the MOT last week, think there is some blindness when it comes to tyres, mind you I would say that seeing as that's how I make my living.

I will be only too happy to help with tyre problems if needed.

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Reply to
Andy Sargeant

What sylist or designer would know how to chnage a wheel in the first place? That's what the AA/RAC/Green Flag etc are for... they do the roadside bit, then Qwikfit or Tyres R Us bloke puts the real road wheel back on for you. I expect the vast majority of drivers out there don't do anything to their vehicle(s) other than put fuel in and take it to be serviced, some people I know don't do the service bit at all.

It's only us silly sods who get dirty doing it ourselves, cause it's quicker than waiting and hour for the RAC etc to turn up. Having said that I'll be calling the AA should I get a flat on the DII unless it's dry, warm, stopped in a safe place and I don't need to be somewhere. I've moved the wheels in the past and they are right heavy, awkward, bar stewards to get back on the studs.

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

On or around Wed, 27 Feb 2008 08:11:41 -0000, "Andy Sargeant" enlightened us thusly:

Says who?

I'm not being rude or facetious, by the way, I genuinely want to know. I've had that size tyre fitted to standard 110/LWB wheels with zero comment and zero problems. I've known many others who've done the same and I've even seen them fitted to SWB rims, although they do look a bit narrow and I wouldn't recommend it.

LR themselves OK'ed fitting 205R16 on the standard SWB rims as far back as the end of SIII production, and a 205 on a SWB rim is about the same in terms of tyre width/rim width ratio as a 235 on a LWB rim - it's nominally

2" wider than the 6.00x16 which was the standard fitment.

I've not checked on this exhaustively, but I wouldn't mind betting that LR fit them to the standard rims as well. Not all the new 110s are on alloys, and 235/85 has been the standard tyre for some time.

I've also seen 205R16 on 7" disco rims, and frankly, the tyre looks way too narrow for the rim. 235/70 look good on disco rims, and 255 will fit an not look silly.

Reply to
Austin Shackles

I've just browsed 3 or 4 tyre catalogs on the shelf here - they all recommend a 6.0 - 8.0" rim for 235 section 4x4 tyres, whether they be

235/75R16 or 235/85R16.

That said I have 235/85R16's on 110 steel rims without a problem.

Reply to
EMB

The VW Toureg is a huge car , but has a space saver spare.......That you have to inflate before you can fit it !!!! How f'ing useless is that on a 4X4. (They do provide a compressor for the job, how many of them will be robbed by previous owners?) Once it is inflated it has about as much tread as a bald wheel barrow tyre.

Then you have to deflate it to fit back in the boot.

Reply to
Marc Draper

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