USA convert to LPG?

On or around 27 Jul 2006 10:07:19 -0700, " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com" enlightened us thusly:

plenty of kits this side of the pond -

for agood but not cheap (UK) supplier. I don't know whether you have legislative hassle about it over there, though

- might be.

Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking it's worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world...

"Jeeze, gas must really be starting to go up if people are thinking it's worth converting to propane. welcome, USA, to the real world... "

I live in Seattle which is MUCH greener than the rest of the country in terms of acceptance of alternative fuels and cars that run them.

Thanks

Hey, you gave us Pearl Jam & Nirvana, i'm not moaning!!

Nige

Guns and Roses, Gretchen Wilson, ZZ Top ( doesnt quite work as Zed Zed Top ) and my own Vicky from K-zoo LPG you want it ? only too happy to oblige

this help Derek

I meant seattle, not just the USA matey!!!

On or around 27 Jul 2006 11:14:49 -0700, " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com" enlightened us thusly:

fair enough. I don't actually know if there's a similar cost advantage, as there is in this country - my comments were wide-angle and aimed generally, not at you personally.

Mind you, propane is still fossil fuel. The emissions should be a bit better, and it's more effective use of the oil to use more of it for transport, seeing as that's a major use. The old days of flaring off gas from oil wells and refineries 'cos it was no use are, I think, now gone.

I'm afraid what we (and that's all of us) need is to re-adjust the way the world works, so as to use less energy. The amount of energy used, for example, to move people from place to place so they can sit at a computer all day someplace else is much greater than the energy used to move a bunch of electrons so that it's the data, not the people, that move around.

not just people - it's things too.

The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one type of passion fruit FFS.

I like them, the family like them, but are they necessary as a supermarket commodity? It'd be a tough case to make IMO.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso" scribbled the following nonsense:

Had a wonderful case study at uni. Watched fresh fish being landed at Brixham in Devon, then it got transported to a fish market in London, the following day it came back to Newton Abbot to be processed and then sent to the depot (Bristol) before being transported back to Newton Abbot. Took nearly 700 miles for a piece of fish to go just 10 miles down down the road......

Happens all over the country, with regionalised distribution centres for the supermarkets, etc.

We have now started to do our bit, growing all our own food and our own chickens. Tastes so much better as well......

but can it swim and breath through its ears?

On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso" enlightened us thusly:

It's very hard to make a case for having more than one kind.

On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:13:01 +0100, Simon Isaacs enlightened us thusly:

we used to get similar answers at the organic food place in Lampeter. I have personally loaded stuff onto the wagon to be taken to the co-op's RDC in Highbridge, Soemrset, and have seen the same produce on the shelves in the co-op in Lampeter.

However, silly as this sounds when you look at the fact that someone could walk half a mile down the road with a trolley, you have to have the distribution network. The most-silly bit in your example is the distance from where the fish is caught to where it's processed. There's a good argument for more processing, closer to the source, rather than centralised processing. The distribution of product to the shops though isn't so inefficient as such examples make it look: taking the example of the organic veg, say: each supermarket takes a relatively small amount and this could be carried on for example a ford fiesta van, rather as part of a pallet on a

38-tonner. But although this would be cheaper for one or two local supermarkets, it doesn't scale well - if there are, for example, 100 Tesco supermarkets and each sends its own ford fiesta to Lampeter (or wherever they're now based) to fetch the organic veg that's 100 vans on the road - the average MPG is going to be about 0.5...

similar arguments if you compare a transit carrying say 1.5 tons with a

38-tonner carrying say 19.5 tons - that's 13 transit-fulls - even if your transit does 40 mpg (which they don't) that translates to about 3 mpg, and a modern artic does at least 3 times that on the average. So having all the stuff on one wagon makes sense.

That's a good solution where it can be done. however local grown produce ain't gonna work in London, or Birmingham, or the Liverpool-Manchester area or at least a dozen other major centres - too many people, not enough local growing capacity.

What we can and should do is a good deal less shipping of food around the world. Accept that in the winter, we can't have fresh strawberries and suchlike, that some things have a season in which they're available. The classic case I read recently is flowers - Roses flown in from Columbia, greenery to go with 'em from Israel I think it was. Madness. I like pretty flowers fine, but to fly tons of them round the world so they can be put in a vase and then thrown away in a few days really is decadent.

London has plenty capacity close by - there's no need to ship in commodity items from afar.

Exacly my point. Seasonably available food also contributes to a sense of time and place.

Austin's observations make a lot of sense. But the real problem is big business and the temporary delusions of utterly shallow green eyed humans, that pure capitalism must be the ultimate solution to humanities problems because it won out over the greater evil of Stalinism. The fuel cell was invented in the 19th century FFS, by now it should have been so well developed that motor vehicles would be doing the equivalent of 150 mpg on oil based fuels or even better, be running on 100% clean hydrogen extracted from water by means of solar power. Heck the Swiss achieved this in 2002, what the f..k happened to that? The old Cutty Sark and Thermopile (?) could sail faster than most modern container ships (over 30 knots) and since then technology has developed large and efficient sailing rigs that could provide virtually fuel free global shipping. The main reason we don't have any of these innovations is the oil companies, whose public pretence of supporting 'alternative technology' ( investing less than a half of one percent of profit) is a damned evil lie. Consider that big oil, vehicle manufacturing and associated business represents well over a quarter of the entire global economic product (including the financial business sector), these are powerful forces, heck they even own the president of the USA right now.

And by the way, there's no shortage of oil, it's just a profiteering scam, the Earth is literally floating on it, the problem is, can our environment afford to burn it all?

|| On or around Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:39:20 +0100, "William Tasso" || enlightened us thusly:

||| The local supermarket feels it necessary to display more than one ||| type of passion fruit FFS.

|| It's very hard to make a case for having more than one kind.

I can see a case for not having them at all. We've just spent a couple of weeks in France and Italy and had some great food, but TBH most of it can be had in the local supermarket these days. Where's the fun in going abroad? The money's all the same (sterling excepted), the food's the same, the last few weeks even the weather's been the same. I blame New Labour.

Seriously, all this international shipping is homogenising the world, which might have its advantages, but is a shame in other ways.

Se'attle isn't that in Yorkshire Nige? Derek

Will you might want to avail yourself of the Farmers weekly free sticker in support of the Local food campaign

Kato sports one ( slightly nibbled ) top centre of the windscreen.Derek

In message , " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com" writes

There are 2 US companies who supply equipment suitable for your engine. Impco (which I run on my own Defender V8) and another one which I can never remember how to spell - Nolfs, Nolfes, Nolffe Nolffes etc etc.

The mixers are variable geometry and virtually identical, the one being a spin off from the other.

You can run them quite happily open loop, but last time I looked Impco were more advanced with a closed loop version which will give better emission control. A 200 series mixer is perfectly adequate.

I would like to point out that the planes are going to these places anyway. Where you have 747s and the like landing at these places, the cargo space is massive and it is the job of the local Air Cargo rep to sell this space and help the profitability of his airline. There are not many true cargo only planes and the cargo staff will make sure it flies full. Frequently the airports that don't have wide bodied planes landing there will truck the stuff to an airport that does. A lot of the places in Europe will truck the cargo into England as air cargo!. Alan

On or around Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:56:40 +0100, "Roberts" enlightened us thusly:

hmmm. the planes are flying there *because* there's cargo to shift. OK, you wouldn't fly a 747 to Columbia JUST to pick up cut flowers. But the cut flowers are part of the reason for the 747 flying there in the first place (or wherever it is)

One of the problems in the world is everyone is getting used to being able to have everything they want, when they want it. It's reflected in attitudes, too: I had someone enquiring after a small number of obsolete spares, which I said I'd look into and see whether we have them. The reason he wanted them is because he'd bought, cheap, an old-stock item without its controls. Now this is hardly a priority from my point of view [1] - I stand to make a few quid out of it, but I have other work, already in progress, for which I stand to make a few hundred. Nevertheless, I had 2 emails and 2 phone calls from this bloke over the space of about 4 days, "reminding" me to look for his parts. I'm quite willing to supply any out of date parts I have in stock and will also make efforts to get parts, especially for existing customers, but that's not what I do all the time and I do have other, more urgent work to deal with.

[1] nor, really, from his: he's not had a breakdown on a thing that's in daily use, for example - this is a thing he bought cheap knowing it was missing parts, I assume for a project. Now his project may be held up for lack of parts, but that's not really my fault - if he'd wanted, he could have bought the latest gear with all its parts for about 10 times as much...