Does Lexus pick your car up from home for service?

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I hope you are enjoying arguing with yourself. Please leave the rest of us out of it, thank you very much.

BTW, I never commented on the wisdom of tipping anyone. Can you say "reading comprehension?"

For one thing the copier service guy drives a company-furnished vehicle and is making -A LOT- more than minimum wage or entry-level pay. This isn't his first day on the job either; he's been trained (at someone's expense) and has learned a technical skill. For this he has attained a considerably better position on the ladder of life. He's probably not still living at home. He doesn't need the tip money as much as someone on one of the lower rungs. He's also not providing a "direct personal service" to me. Tips are only for direct personal services, i.e., a haircut, massage, etc.

By the way, I also give our home mailman and trash collectors a small "token of appreciation" at Christmas time each year. If you must know, the mailman gets $25 and the 3 trash truck guys get $10 apiece.

It really costs so very little to be kind to others and I know the small investment pays back dividends many times over.

Back to the Lexus, in my own case I know for a fact that the porters at my Lexus dealer are all working in the lowest-paid ground-floor, entry-level positions, making scarcely above minimum wage and 1 of them in fact is a student, going to night school. Is a $20 tip out of line? Hardly.

As far as tipping waiters and waitresses, no, the standard is not 20%, it's 15. Look at the bottom of the ticket. In many restaurants it still says "a gratuity of 15% will be added for all parties of 6 or more". A tip of 20% might me appropriate for excellent & very attentive service, but the standard remains 15. I never give less than 15% unless it's really poor service, in which case I leave a dime for the reason aforementioned. I have also on occasion left 20%, but only on those rare cases where the service was truly exceptional and noteworthy. No one automatically gets

20% unless they've gone the extra mile. The "20% rule" that you or someone mentioned is in fact a ruse that's promulgated by the food service workers themselves, not their employers and certainly not in any "rules for tipping" handbook that I've ever seen.

Well, you're right about one thing, I am my own boss. Today I have my own business and subscribe to the theory that no one gives a shit more about my business than me, so I put forth the extra effort.

By the way, the Lexus is my wife's car. She is a homemaker who raised our children and who I'm proud to say was always there at home for the kids when they were growing up. Today she contributes her time by doing volunteer work at one of the area hospitals.

What the hell does his pay have to do with anything?

First off, you don't know what his pay is. Secondly, he's still performing a service that's valuable to you, and doing so in a personal manner.

Thirdly, the Lexus lot boy is ALSO driving company-furnished vehicles to do the job. Actually, he's driving QUITE NICE company-furnished vehicles, much nicer than the copier service guy, no doubt.

Ah. So you think it's the world's obligation to tip the Lexus lot boy simply because he's lower on the ladder of life than others, eh? You're assuming that the Lexus lot boy is making a living, a career, out of shuttling cars back and forth. You never assume that it's just a transient position for most if not all people.

Let's get back to that ladder of life thing again. Do you know for a fact how much either position pays? I think you're under a serious misconception of how much the copier service guy makes. I wouldn't be surprised if he made only $20K/year in some instances. And he's still doing you a personal service.

Ah. So now YOU'RE deciding who NEEDS money. YOU'RE the arbiter of funds.

If this were a socialist world, you'd be happy.

Which he's not allowed to take, by law. You're jeopardizing his job.

Cheapskate. Why, if the mailman gets $25, don't the trash guys each get the same $25? Oh, I see--you've decided that the trash guys aren't as worthy, individually, as the mailman. YOU'VE decided to place a value on one service over another.

Face it: you'd be harder up if your trash didn't get removed than if your mail didn't get delivered. But you decided you can't afford, or don't want to afford, to pay THEM $25 each the same as you pay the mailman.

And quite frankly, using your "ladder of life" concept, the trash guys should get MORE than the mailman--MUCH more. In fact, the mailman makes more money than the copier service guy does, I can guarantee that.

And he drives a company-provided vehicle.

So tell us again why you don't tip the copier service repair guy? Oh, it's because you're CHEAP.

And why Christmas? Why not randomly throughout the year? Because you're a cheapskate, that's why.

And this DOESN'T apply to the copier repair guy?

Cheapskate.

If a $20 tip isn't out of line for a personal service, then it's not out of line for a personal service--no matter who's providing the personal service or what personal service that is.

How do you know you don't have some slacker silver-spoon rich kid running Lexuses around town? Maybe you've just tipped the owner's kid $20; did HE need it?

There are a lot of low-wage positions in the world. Frankly, they're supposed to be stepping stones, not permanent living quarters.

Face it: you're trying to rationalize behavior that can't be rationalized. You're extremely inconsistent with nothing to back up that inconsistency. Some low wage people you tip, others you don't--or as much. Some low-wage people that you tip need it a WHOLE LOT LESS than other service people you don't tip.

Think about that next time the guy fixes your copier. Think about the fact that he's making not much more than the lot boy, and probably has a family he's struggling to provide for. Then explain to yourself why you're not tipping him.

The same goes for everyone else in a service-based position. How about the cashier at the Lexus dealer? Or the service writer? Those aren't highly paid positions.

Cheapskate.

And think about how you're putting your mailman in jeopardy the next time you tip him. And think about doing it at some randome time of the year, instead of Christmas where you feel "obligated" by the "feel-good" time of year. And for God's sake, quit thinking that the trash men--individually--are any less worthy than the mailman. If anything, they're MORE worthy. They make a BUNCH less money.

Cheapskate.

You know Mr. Shagnasty, there is a divine difference between you and me. You can kiss my entire ass and I can't.

Bear it, big boy.

You're a loser, and you're so aware of it that this is all you can come up with?

Thank you! I was reading through this group to see if it was worthwhile trading in our Landcruiser for an LX470. I was beginning to sense that driving a Lexus related to insecurity. I'm glad to read that there is some "common sense" in the Lexus group. :-)

It does. Those who think they have to throw money around very visibly in order to prove their self-worth are well represented here.

No, the problem is that you think you're a winner.

S'matter Nastyboy? Nobody wants to play with you? Gee, I wonder why?!

EXCELLENT post. And another thing... .How cheap can New Owner be in treating the trash collectors? He thinks they are worth a whole $10 a YEAR for picking up his trash at least once a week, if not more. Basically you are tipping the trash collector 19 CENTS for each trash pickup.

The Lexus kid gets $20 for a ONE TIME DELIVERY.

Only the loser that you are could have written that sentence and not had even a hint of what he was saying.

Yup. He's a cheapskate. And now, he knows it.

He should tip his trash collectors $20/week, based on (a) the value of the service they provide, and (b) his "ladder of life" concept.

but no, he tips the Lexus lot boy--probably the dealership owner's no-good crackhead son--twenty bucks to drive company-provided Lexuses around all day.

That's because he values his car more than he does trash pickup. It's that plain. And now he realizes it.

We should go to his house and tell the trash guys that they get less than the mailman. Watch how his trash gets picked up after that.

Golly, gee. I wish I could be a real winner like you!

Hey, Mr. Nasty. No comment on this?

Funny, you seem to want to comment about every other "hypocrisy?"

wtf are you talking about

Instead, you're a real winner like you. You're special, and you know it--because everyone on the short bus keeps telling you so.