Lightning Lexuses

I'm suprised nobody's talking about the 2006 Lexus' "super speedy" factory-tuned GT line that will battle with the Bmw's Motorsport and MB's AMG......

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William Cumholme
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maybe because it will probably have a problem with hesitation or lag like all the recent Lexus models do...

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Steve Larson

I wouldn't mind having a 600-hp car with a fraction of a second hesitation problem....

Dude, if you hate your ES so much why are you in here! Save the moaning for your wife.

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WTVer here. Plz dont KF me

I don't think you get it.

Are you saying you'd trade quality for horsepower? Manufacturers just love to read the stuff you write. They sit around the boardroom table and laugh at people like you that lovingly accept the crap and mistreatment they dish out.

It's not about horsepower and quality. It's about money and quality. I wouldn't expect that hesitation problem in a $12k car. When someone pays close to $40k for an ES, it should not have such a quality and safety issue. Further, a company that claims it's "relentless pursuit of perfection", and then refuses to admit there's any problem with the product, is clearly thumbing it's nose at it's (previously) loyal customers.

As for Steve Larson, he has paid his dues, and has every right to express his views and opinions here. He owns a Lexus; it has a problem; and this is a Lexus ng. I don't see a problem with that.

If Lexus policy is now "Let's make them faster, then maybe, they'll talk about that and not the lack of quality and poor customer satisfaction", is that acceptable?

Not to me.

Unless they correct my trans problems, they've lost me as a future customer. I'm a repeat buyer now, but I see Lexus has lost interest in people like me - people who merely want what they paid for

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njbok

Not when every word out of his mouth is "lag, lag, lag, lag, blah, blah. blah...". OK, so we know it's a problem, but just stop whining! Nobody wants to keep hearing it - it makes one's look like a troll.

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WTVer here. Plz dont KF me

The specs look nice but I'm not impressed at the styling I've seen so far on the concepts. Hopefully they will get it right by 2006 but I won't hold my breath in the meantime.

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Dave Stone

Hi, I was wondering what happens if I use 85 octane intead 91? Thanks you Erkan

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Erkan Ay

Ah, yes, the eloquence of a true professional, "Dude". I don't need to moan to my wife, life is very enjoyable at home. But I appreciate your thoughtful advice.

The point that you are missing is that Lexus needs to be made aware of a growing problem. The only way to do this is to make many potential buyers aware of the problems with the Lexus drive by wire system used in all their automatic tranny vehicles today. Further, it allows current owners to validate something that they may have noticed themselves, but may not have mentioned it in the service bay yet.

Please remember to look below the surface anytime you feel the primal urge to spout off or react to something you don't understand fully. Usually issues will be more complicated than you give them credit for. I encourage you to pray for wisdom.

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Steve Larson

Yeah, blah blah blah, let's just put our head in the sand and ignore the problem. Typical attitude of the text-messaging generation, all the attention span and wisdom of a fruit loop.

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Steve Larson

A reduction in peak power roughly equivalent to what you save at the pump:

10% or 25-hp. If you don't mind turning your 260-hp (or whatever it is) car into a 235-hp car, go for it.

- Mark

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markjen
600 hp creamed by the freight train burning down the tracks at it cause it has a fraction of a second hesitation and can't get off the tracks reallllllly makes it look stupid! Of course maybe the hesitation was made worse by the detuning caused by el-cheapo gas!!!
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MCBRUE

OR, Just get a new Pontiac GTO... It shouldn't have any stupid lag. You'll end up spending about half of what you would on that Lexus.

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Roger

Or a Chrysler 300.

Sure wish Toyota made this thing! Great design, but it's bound to be just more MoPar junk like the rest of Detroit's offerings have been over the years. Then again, you could almost buy 2 Chrysler 300s for what you'd pay for a v8 Lexus (that could not come close to hanging with the Hemi power). Drive one and keep one for a spare... at last, a reliable way to get 250,000 miles from an American car: buy two of them :)

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TANKIE

Uhhh ... I do believe the Lexus V-8 is a hemi engine.

-- Pete

TANKIE wrote:

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Pete

So then, you'd probably not be interested in owning a piece of junk Dodge from 1996, then. I'll just have to keep the Viper. Not a single problem in a 415 horsepower, 488 ft. lbs of torque car from 1996.

When I trade in my S Class Mercedes on the 300C I'll report back on what a piece of junk it is. I'm betting it will be just as awful as my Viper. Certainly since Daimler Chrysler stole liberally from the E Class Mercedes to build this Mopar junk heap, it can't be considered well engineered, nor likely to last. And the 7 year, 70,000 mile warranty, stock, probably is pretty worthless as well, because there's no way of knowing if Daimler-Chrysler will last that long.

And let's see. $35,000 for a 300 C with a Hemi engine, or $70,000 for a Lexus GS? Maybe I could just buy a second 300 C for spare parts with the savings. Oh, you said that.

Then

Think I'll go take the 96 Dodge Viper for a spin. Sure hope it will start. How's your 96 Lexus doing?

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Viper

My 96 Lexus will start OK, but it won't be near the fun to drive as your Viper... maybe I can get my ES300 on Monster Garage, and transplant your V10.

415 HP front wheel drive!

re: HEMI. I know the Lex V8 is also a hemi, but it's not a HEMI in the MoPar sence of the word; the Lexus hemi never scared anyone, and would be easily smoked by the Chrysler as would the BMW 540. It would be closer with the MB500, but it too would see Chrysler tail lights. Maybe MB will adapt the HEMI. Also hears there is a 425 HP version soon to be released.... that should hang with the Corvette, which has the best mass produced stock performance motor on the street. This and the Hemi are pushrod engines. BMW and Lexus can't get in the game with them even with dohc.

re: Chrysler

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TANKIE

The reason I joined this newsgroup is because we are considering getting a SUV for general duty, and Lexus is reputed to have the best build quality, and best reliability of any brand.

Different tools for different purposes. I love the hammer of the Viper, but class leading reliability and excellent build quality that can be relied upon is attractive as well.

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Viper

Oh, you're absolutely right. I thought it was an interesting technical point, though. The hemi design is known for high performance at the cost of day-to-day civility, and Lexus accomplished a real coup in building a housebroken lightweight high-compression hemi V-8. And the Lexus engine's specific output - hp per cubic inch - compares favorably to the classic Mopar engine.

I doubt if its pushrod valve train contributed to the Mopar Hemi's output. In general, OHC designs are lighter and use less engine power to operate, and so lead to higher output.

I'd also point out that my LS 430 ultra has a published curb weight of

4150 lbs. An engine that can propel that car, with a/c and automatic transmission and highway gearing, from zero to sixty in 6.3 seconds commands respect even if it doesn't snort and rumble. [The '04, with a 6-speed box, does it in 5.7.] This performance is on par with my old Mustang GT 5.0 5-speed and the original MB 6.3 SEL, which fathered the supersedan breed. That it does it with impeccable civility is pretty neat.

-- Pete

TANKIE wrote:

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Pete

I do not share this belief with you. I always thought that Hemi refers to "hemispherical" which is basically referreing to something that relates to hemispheres. A hemisphere is half a sphere.

I believe that this originates from the approximately hemispherical shape of the combustion chamber. Hemispherical shape was an improvement in 2-valve engines when compared to earlier practice of wedged combustion chambers. Of course, it is not a mathematically correct hemisphere, but has sufficient resemblance to allow marketroids to call it a hemi.

The adoption of the hemispherical geomerty may have been partly pushed by Peugeots pent-roof chambers from their DOHC 3.0 l grand prix engine in 1912. This 4-valve pent-roofed chambers design was superior and was quickly adopted in racing cars. At that time, it was too expensive for the consumers, and the 2-valve push-rods were still made for the ordinary people. The hemispherical design was an improvement (actually made already in 1903) for the old

2-valve technology. However, it was nowhere as good as to close the gap between the pent-roofed 4-valve technology and the 2-valve designs.

The 4-valve pent-roofed combustion chambers are superior to the cheaper 2-valve hemispherical and are used in virtually all modern car engines today. The 2-valve hemispherical has its place, but in my opinion that place is the car museums and carages of old-car hobbyists.

I would be quite disappointed to learn that any of the Lexus V8 engines have hemispherical combustion chamber geometry. I am pretty sure that it has the so-called pent-roof shaped combustion chambers, like almost all the modern engines.

To be honest, I would not be surprised if DaimlerChrysler would build the next generation "Hemi" without a hemispherical combustion chamber, but with a pent-roofed combustion chamber. The word Hemi has more marketing value than technical advantages.

Reply to
Jyrki Alakuijala

Thanks very much. I share your understanding as to what 'hemi' means. I honestly do not recall where I heard the Lexus V-8 used a hemihead design. I'll see if I can reaearch this a bit.

-- Pete

Jyrki Alakuijala wrote:

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Pete

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