BMW servicing... (Long post)

I wasn't going to bother posting about my recent experience, but events of today have 'amused' me so much I've changed my mind.

The car in question is a 528 with under 70,000 miles and FMDSH, which I've owned from 2 years old. I bought it from First Front Wimbledon, who later morphed into William Jacks, and now Cooper, and with the exception of one service carried out when on holiday, has been serviced there.

This past year, it hasn't done many miles as I have another car, and spent all summer working on the house. My work has also been mainly local, so it's only done 4000 miles in the last year or so, and since the last Inspection 2.

Although it was still showing 2 lights on the service indicator, and was now on fully synthetic oil rather than the previous spec part synth, the clock symbol was on (meaning the brake fluid is due for a routine change) so I intended treating it to an annual oil change as it says in the handbook for all cars, regardless of mileage. This was hastened by the appearance of a puddle of oil underneath the car, and a wet under tray. Couldn't be bothered checking where it was coming from in the recent bad weather - I've not got a garage.

So it went in last Monday. On the way there, all the instruments packed up.;-)

Got a phone call later that day, saying they'd found the instruments working when they took the car into the workshop, and diagnostics showed nothing amiss. The oil leak was from a steering hose which simply needed tightening.

Picked the car up next day - 487.54 squids, thank you sir.

After leaving the garage, I stopped just up the road in a DIY store car park to check the bill and things. Opened the bonnet. Under tray still covered in oil, and the steering hose and reservoir also. This was a leak from a low pressure hose - the one which goes from the reservoir.

I also check the engine oil. It's exactly on minimum. There are only two large marks on the dipstick - full and minimum.

So back I go. First, I'm told I hadn't asked for the engine to be cleaned. Then that the oil level can't be wrong as they use a dispensing machine that can only give out the correct amount.

I point out that the invoice says 55 quid odd for removal and cleaning of the hose, which is still covered in oil, and would he care to explain just how the engine oil level is low if there machine can't dispense the wrong amount? They've forgotten to change the oil despite charging some 150 quid for this part of the service?

I'm given a coffee, while they clean the engine bay and top up the oil. Don't know how they manage this if the machine can only dispense 6.5 litres. ;-)

Go home. Check the invoice at leisure to discover they've changed the microfilters at a cost of 50 quid, when they were changed only 4000 miles ago. And aren't part of an oil service. Nor have they ticked the book to say this has been done - although the other bits (oil service, brake fluid and coolant change) are correct.

So I phone them up. Very sorry, they say, a mistake, we'll do a credit card refund.

This morning, a tell tale puddle of oil under the car again. And the same hose is soaking in oil. Phone them up - all receptionists busy, so they'll phone me back. 4 hours later, I phone again. Am told to bring the car in for examination, as they might have to order up new parts. No apology - or offer to fix it for free regardless. I'm then told they haven't credited my card over the microfilters, as they wish to remove them and put back in the old ones - which they say are filthy. He said after my call last Tuesday the mechanic in question had retrieved my old filters from the waste bin...

I've faxed the MD of Cooper Wimbledon and will CC a letter to the MD at head office and maybe even BMW UK. For all the good it will do.

Reply to
Dave Plowman
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Name and shame - stick a review on my UK garages page. There are some total howlers on there! Some BMW service managers seem to turn up for work in cowboy hats....

Reply to
John Burns

Bitter experiences in the past means I wouldn't piss on a BMW Cooper garage if it was on fire.

Reply to
Grant Mason

Dave Plowman haute in die Tasten:

Your story may sound strange, but if you are eager for a close encounter of the third kind, come to Munich, the home of BMW.

This was my experience: My E30 325i Convertible demanded a major service. The car started quite okay, smelled a little bit after fuel, had a minor glitch with the central locks and the automatic antenna refused to fold out completely. Two days later I got it back from the BMW factory service shop Munich south, which is directly run by BMW AG, still smelling and with damaged central locking, but the automatic antenna was okay then. I payed more than 1000$! Five days later the battery was dead and I had to call road assistance. Two weeks later I came back to have the smelling removed. In addition to that the interior light refused to switch off, when I closed the door. They charged me some 250 $ to find out that some rubber hoses in the engine bay were damaged. And they repaired the light. Back from the shop I parked the car in a garage - and noticed that the Light switched off immediately after closing the door. The 10 second delay was gone! So I called them and said that I did not like to have my light like in a Zastava. The mechanic said the delay was not factory equipment (Rubbish!). I brought the car back, and finally they found a broken relay for 10 bucks, which managed the delay. Back from that date, I noticed that the cockpit illumination was broken. So I called them and said that I was disappointed that the ywere not able to fix the light without damaging the cockpit. They said it would cost one hour of labor to fix it, I made an appointment nevertheless...

Then a lady from a market research team working for BMW Germany called me and asked about my level of satisfaction with the service provided by the factory workshop... The next day I got a phone call by the service manager. He kindly asked me for bringing my car to the shop once more. I would get a car for that time. It was the first time I got such an offer

Since then I have my BMW serviced by an independend mechanic. The bills are about 50% lower than those I got before, and the work is done better.

Frank

Reply to
Frank Kemper

There was a time when that dealer would have the franchise revoked.. I seem to remember a Cooper garage in the Leicester area, but never had dealings with them.. Sytner Warwick, now owned by Damon Hill, was always really good.. all of my cars were valeted and cleaned after services.. the only problem that I ever had was after having new rear springs on one of the BMWs.. I went back next day and told the service representative that I had

40mph headlights.. he looked at me quizically so I explained that driving at over 40mph at night was dangerous cos the lights were not aimed correctly after the new springs had been fitted.. they took it out back and fixed it straight away.. I understand that Frank Sytner was a stickler for things done right.. heard a story about a mechanic that took one of his 'touring car' BM's out for a test.. the mechanic while out got busted for speeding 'big time'.. for his efforts, he was stood up against a wall and shot.. lol.. not sure if that was Frank's idea or the Reichsfuehrer back in Munich..
Reply to
Mike Hall

Oh, the car was cleaned ok, and in general the FOH staff were fine too - although I wasn't too keen on being told I didn't know how to check the oil level.;-) The premises were clean and modern. They also run a courtesy car service to the local station.

But to me, all this is pure window dressing if the important thing - the quality of workmanship of the service itself - is poor.

I'll look into another dealer, but really don't fancy travelling far for one.

Reply to
Dave Plowman

and maybe even BMW UK. For all the good it will do.

Dave,

When I got crap service from my local main BMW dealer I wrote to the UK customer service manager, who bounced it to the regional manager, who handed it to the dealer principal, who passed it to the service manager. Got a offer of a free service out the letter, which I accepted as reasonable compensation.

Reply to
Mick

SNIP

Cheeky bast*rds. Holding you to ransom over some filters is not customer service. Oh, and your old filters are going to be in good nick after lying in an oily damp bin for days? Okay, they could argue you should've checked the invoice before taking the car away, but the fall out is exactly the same. A rubbish job involving remedial work, inconveniencing you Mr Customer. Have you tried asking them to send someone out with a courtesy car, collecting your car in the process?

Just another example of the sh*te we're fed these days. You quite reasonably assumed that by (a) going to a main dealer and (b) paying top dollar, you'd at least have the comfort of knowing the job would be done well, and be performed to the rigours of BMW own technical guidelines.

Yeah, in a fair world.

It seems that in *this* world we are cursed with mechanic "technicians" who replace whole components in a willy-nilly less-than-Cluedo-fashion instead of using experience and brainpower to fault find or rectify; we are cursed with professional bathroom fitters who plumb copper pipe worse than a three-year old; tile fitters who would rather use silicon sealer than mix fresh grout; roofers who don't understand what the word "overlap" means; customer service representatives who simply want to pass the buck and not take responsibility...

By now I'm guessing that all of the above sounds familiar? It does seem that the car mechanics and bodywork repair industries are rife with sloppy, shoddy charlatans who couldn't give a monkey's toss - the worst offenders being those who have staff dressed up in suits to greet you. Cue Mr Ineffectual, Customer Services Manager.

It's one thing to get a job done badly, but to pay £lots for the honour is another! Put it this way Dave: if you get stiffed at a non-franchise small garage the amount should be less ;-) I dare say many of us on this group could have done the bulk of the work you mentioned on a leisurely Sunday morning, for the cost of parts only. What price a dealer stamp? It's small wonder that service books don't get stamped up beyond a certain point.

-- Ken Davidson DocDelete

Reply to
DocDelete

Prior to the local dealer being Sytner, the same garage was owned and run by crooks and BMW removed their franchise.. there was also a BL dealership that serviced Nissan for a while, but their service and work was sooooooooo bad, and so many complaints were made that Nissan disenfranchized them too.. I sympathize with your cause entirely, and like you, I would try to find another dealer.. but sending complaints to BMW UK is the answer.. if possible, ask other owners if they have had problems too.. companies have a bad habit of not responding, but if enough people complain, they will be obliged to do something about it, albeit not in your lifetime..

Reply to
Mike Hall

tell the credit card company not to pay them that'll soon have them hollering about something :) not to mention that the credit card company has deeper pockets and better lawyers than you can afford ;)

Reply to
nooneyouveeverheardof

Complaining to the manufacturer won't really do any good to be honest. At the end of the day - a garage changes franchises because they can't stomach the cost of keeping the franchise going - it's commercial - hardly likely that BMW or Ford or whoever are going to turn round and say - "one customer complained last year so - sorry lads - not this year" - when they get n hundred k out of having the badge on the front of the shop..

Cheers Dan.

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Dan delaMare-Lyon

nooneyouveeverheardof wrote in message news:c0at3k$4bd$ snipped-for-privacy@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...

My twopence worth. Some of you may remember me rambling on re. a vibration prob with my E39 523iSE recently? Well, the prime problem was the quality of work being carried out by the 3rd party tyre fitter centre, the second (but extremely close) problem was a workshop foreman-monkey that gave the impression that he didn't know/care what he was doing or looking for! He tried to tell me that the sills on my car were plastic...... enter, stage left, a magnet. One red faced foreman-monkey. In my particular case, I was eventually offered a nice "compensation" payment (or was it silence money? I'm giving the garage the benefit of the doubt on this one) and an assurance that "procedures were being reviewed", including senior monkey getting a kick up the ar5e!! My car will go back to them for it's next service, only if it's due within the warranty period. I'm an aircraft engineering technician by trade so I think I'm probably competent enough to do it myself, especially seeing as I have unlimited evening and weekend access to a fully equipped workshop. The moral is, keep complaining, don't take no for an answer if you know you're right and don't be afraid to go to some other body such as trading standards (UK) for extra clout and advice. Thankfully my case was resolved without the need for external assistance. I'm not going to "name and shame" the garage here at the moment, like I say I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. One more incident though and I'll tell all!

Badger

523iSE
Reply to
Badger

It takes more than one complaint, but if everybody that received bad service from any kind of company complained instead of slinking off elsewhere, maybe, just maybe, service would improve

Reply to
Mike Hall

"Dan delaMare-Lyon" wrote in message news:Pj8Wb.2849$ snipped-for-privacy@newsfep4-winn.server.ntli.net...

Not so in these two cases.. the Alan Kerr (owner and company name) BMW dealerships were scandalous in the way that they treated customers and their property.. I believe that the guy went to jail for his efforts, but don't hold me to that one.. the other garage is the Regent Garage, Leamington Spa.. they were BL dealers.. BL products were sooooooo bad at the time one couldn't tell whether it was the inability of the garage to fix anything or just hideously bad cars.. either way, they took on Citroen and Nissan in an attempt to expand sales.. they lost the Nissan franchise for sure because of the bad workmanship and conning people into paying for repairs that were not necessary.. somebody told me that Citroen followed them out of the door..

I bought a Triumph Spitfire 1500 new years ago.. I had to wait eight weeks because they told me that the diff on the car out back was bust.. they told me that they did a 168 point check on the car at delivery, yet when I picked it up, the side windows did not roll down.. three weeks later, the alternator bust and they replaced it with some cheap rebuild thing.. on a three week old car??????????.. not long after that, the convertible top began to break up.. they told me it was the way I put it up and down that caused this.. I asked them if they had ever seen me do this.. I had it repaired somewhere else and throughout the rest of its life, I never had another problem.. at the first service, all was well (kinda), but after the second service, the car did not run well at all.. I stopped about a mile away from the garage and looked under the hood.. sure enough, the air filters and plugs that I had fitted were still in the car.. the invoice showed that they had been replaced.. I drove straight back to the garage, opened the hood (bonnet), and entered the service dept to ask questions.. I asked if during a service the timing is adjusted, and the make of plugs and air filters that they supply.. I followed up by asking the guy to come out and explain to me how the labels on plugs and filters changed from the type that tjey fit to the type that I had put on the car some two weeks previous.. I then asked him to road test the car and give his opinion.. he came back after the road test looking a little sheepish and told me that he would rebook it for service.. "the hell you will" i told him.. no way were they ever gonna get their hands on any car of mine ever.. I was reminded that the warranty would be broken if I did not take it back to them.. what warranty????.. everything that ever bust on that car they blamed me for.. lol

years ago, my mother took a Daf 55 into Ladbroke Volvo, Warwick.. they had taken over the Daf franchise after the merger with Volvo.. she took it for servicing and when it came back, I asked what happened to the wheels and tires.. and why did I do that?.. because it came back with Daf 44 rims and some obscure half worn tires.. the thing here is that I had them changed not one week before this incident to Goodyears.. I knew very well that they were not what I had fitted.. the receipt said it all..

In all cases, I complained.. and in all cases, I received payouts.. franchises were lost because I was not the only one that they were trying to hustle.. COMPLAIN.. ALWAYS COMPLAIN.. or just accept the bad service that UK companies are so proud to give..

Reply to
Mike Hall

I can and do service my other car (and do all the other repairs too) but I don't have a garage or off street parking since I live in Central London, so am happy enough to work in the road in summer, but not crawl under a car on a cold wet winter's day. However, I'm not returning the car to the dealer for them to bodge again - I wouldn't let them near it. I'll do the oil leak at the end of the week, when I get some time.

I had a phone call from the Service Manager this morning at work in response to my fax to the MD, and he wasn't again in the least bit apologetic, but re-iterated that they wished to fit the old filters before giving me a refund. I asked him politely enough if he'd allow parts out of the junk bin to be fitted to his car, and he said they had been put in the boxes the new ones came in, so were ok. I'm afraid I called him a wanker for thinking I'd believe that any mechanic would be so careful with junk - it beggars belief.

So I want a refund of the cost of the leak 'fix', and a refund of the cost of the filters. And won't go near them again - their loss more so as I'm about to change the car which I bought from them in the first place.

Reply to
Dave Plowman

"Dave Plowman" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@argonet.co.uk...

I'm right with you on this - and you should tell them that your experience is being disseminated online. My only experience with a BMW Main dealer is with the one in Edinburgh, where I pulled my wifes 316 into for a service. It's a D reg 316 coupe (carb) rusty as hell with over 100,000 on the clock. They took it in, serviced it for a reasonable sum which I can't remember so it must have been Ok, and I was pleasantly surprised to find a tin of "travelling" sweeties on the passenger seat when I got it back. On the other hand when I took one of my Volvos into the dealer in Dunfermline I got nothing but grief after their so called service, and ended up doing it all over again myself, after getting a refund. Thankfully that Volvo dealer is now out of business. Don't get me onto the local Kawasaki dealer who managed to destroy the top end of my 305 C reg after I was too busy on business in London to do it myself when I needed an exhaust valve changed. I've come to the conclusion that any thing that goes wrong, from washing machine to car to slates off the roof and all in between is best done by yourself. You study the problem, ask a few people about their experiences about what could go wrong, learn and do it yourself. As an example, the latest furore in my house was the washing machine door inexplicably came right off. (yougest son is primary suspect, using it to climb on to the work top when door wasn't fully shut) With a house containing three kids, you cannot have a U/S washing machine for longer than a day. I phoned the local washing machine repair company, was told it would cost at least £200 to fix. Went on line, after looking at the problem which was a snapped hinge and distressed hinge brackets, I found a local place that was ready to sell me the parts for £11. Replaced then in 15 minutes and had a working washing machine. I've forgotten what the hell this has to do with BMWs but you know what I mean......

Reply to
Stuart Gray

I assume you're talking GPz305 here?

If so..... 'they all do that, sir'

Can't remember the last time I saw one running.

Reply to
SteveH

Y'all got a problem with cowboys, pardner? Don't make me open a can of Whup Ass on yer sorry butt. Yeee Haw BMW Garage " bring yer fairy sports Auto-Mobile to Us!"

Reply to
Colin

When you do replace it, make sure you tell the Cooper sales manager and MD why they didn't get the business....

Reply to
Grant Mason

LOL - know what you mean, but in this case, the collets haden't been fitted properly, the exhaust valve dropped into the barrel taking out the piston, conrod etc etc.

Reply to
Stuart Gray

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