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Hello,

I'm a bit confused about these diagnostic code readers. The more
googling I do, the more confused I become.

I thought that all cars after 2000-ish had to be OBD-II compliant?
Doesn't that mean that any car of that age will work with any code
reader?

From what I have read on the net, there seem to be two groups: VAG and
everyone else. VAG needs different software and is  VW and  Audi
Group. Is that right?

I was also looking at Vauxhalls and web sites seemed to be suggesting
that they used a different system too.

Am I getting older and newer cars mixed-up? Is it that before 2000-ish
there was not agreed standard so that VAG used something different to
vauxhall, who used something different to everyone else?

Will all post 2000 cars be OBDII and work with any old ELM CANBUS
interface off ebay?

I appreciate that each manufacturer will have their own specialised
software to work magic but just for reading fault codes etc?

Thanks.

Re: diagnostics code readers

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:02:49 +0100, Stephen wrote:

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Nope; 2001 MY for petrol, but not until 2003 for diesel.

The original OBD systems were US; some manufacturers pre-2001 used the US
system on European cars in the expectation that it would be adopted here.
However, the standard was altered here to become E-OBD.

That means three broad groups, although that is a simplification.


If only!


All post-2001 petrols, and all post-2003 diesels should be capable of
basic fault code interrogation using the same equipment.

Trouble is, from the POV of fault diagnosis you need more. And the
equipment you then need is vehicle specific.

There is a lot of useful information about this on the 'net if you Google
for it.

Chris

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Re: diagnostics code readers


Not here - it's a US standard and only covers emission related things.

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Re: diagnostics code readers


Um, yes here. E-OBD-II. It has to be fitted and it has to provide
certain data to a 'standard' code reader. Any other information can be
manufacturer specific and proprietary/not available unless you have a
suitable reader.
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Re: diagnostics code readers

Stephen wrote:


No, not really. All cars after a certain date will do ODB-II, but most
manufacturers have extensions to the diagnostics, so a basic reader will
only read a subset of codes. Also, the manufacter-specific software will
allow you to reprogram some controllers in the car.

Re: diagnostics code readers

On Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:30:46 +0100, Chris Bartram  


And the free ones will talk to VAG group cars but VAG-Com's so good that  
not buying it is only sensible if you value your time at pence per hour.

Re: diagnostics code readers

Duncan Wood wrote:

Indeed. There's an example on Ross-Tech's site for the relatively common
relay 109 problem:

http://www.ross-tech.com/vag-com/dtc-comparison.html

Re: diagnostics code readers

Stephen wrote:

My '96 Volvo uses OBDII.

I've got a Snap-On OBD diagnostic gubbin, there are around 30 'code
keys' with it for different vehicles. Can read almost everything, can't
reset the bloody service light on my Volvo with it though.

Got a proper VAG-COM box as well. Its rubbish.

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people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move."

Re: diagnostics code readers

Pete M wrote:

On some 850's if the odometer is above the speedo needle you turn on the
ign.  press the button (under the grommet to the left of the speedo) with a
suitable thing and turn off the ign, not the rest of the models though.



Re: diagnostics code readers

Mrcheerful wrote:

Indeed there is. Not on a '96 850 though. Mine's got the old mechanical
trip meter and no rubber grommet. It's not got the Volvo diagnostic
gubbin under the bonnet with "Plug A/B Socket 1/2" either as it is one
of the in-betweenys. Has to be done through the OBDII, but with a
special Volvo reset tool. Bit annoying that.


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Pete M - OMF#9

Range Rover V8 Turbo
Volvo 850 T5 CD Estate

"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of
people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad move."

Re: diagnostics code readers

Pete M wrote:


You're genuinely the only person I've heard say that. What don't you
like, and what version is it?

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