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DJC
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I don't know your route, but here is a map of charger stations in france, and all free.

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MrCheerful

I notice how they have almost nothing in Spain, which is odd given their government incentives to buy low emission cars, perhaps it is too high a price point?

Reply to
MrCheerful

That's an impressive bit of infrastructure - and most of them have 6+ stalls, so probably not much of a wait. Makes me wonder what their medium/long term plan is . . .

That said, north of London very poorly served.

Reply to
RJH

World domination? It used to be only villains in Bond movies that had private space rockets that could land upright on a pad.

There are also 29 "destination" chargers. Not rapid but intended for a overnight charge at the hotel. Though 3 in London are at "Q-park" and Harrods car parks - 2-3 hours stay. 2 are at Marinas, drive to your boat, plug in, float out on the Solent for the afternoon and its ready for the trip back to London. 2 restaurant / pubs, you should get a charge while you eat that will get you back to a supercharger. 1 guest house. Several "spa" hotels. Gleneagles. Penderyn Distillery. Does sort of dictate where you eat or stay.

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2 superchargers but they have plans, looks like 5 more "opening soon", and if you click on "2016" (yes we are halfway though) looks to be about 15 and 3 coming in Portugal.

11 destination chargers.

Reply to
Peter Hill

This is a zombie argument. Tyre noise is what you hear, unless it's a bus or lorry. The idea of any car, electric or otherwise, being quiet enough to be deadly to pedestrians is ludicrous FUD.

Reply to
pastedavid

Didn't old Stephenson invent that sometime back in 1800 something;?....

Reply to
tony sayer

In article , Dave Plowman (News) scribeth thus

No one Green red blue or otherwise ever thinks of that Dave;!(....

Reply to
tony sayer

Yeaah, but it went off the rails.

Reply to
Gordon H

Just shows that EV only works for now because it's exclusive. This leads to a strange conclusion:

a) Driving EV is good for the environment. b) Not driving EV is good for the environment because it allows others to drive EV.

Reply to
johannes

in the early 1900s in New York there were multiple points to recharge your electric car, which had a good range and was adequately fast enough for the times. So if they could do it then ....

Reply to
MrCheerful

johannes wrote: [snip]

You're not thinking openly enough.

You can't charge an electric car while it's moving. But it only moves a small proportion of the average day.

You can charge an electric car when it's parked - which it is for most of every day. Even for a London commuter that is over 12 hours per day! If most cars are electric then an infrastucture which recharges all parked cars slowly and continuously will be needed.

Think back a hundred years - at that stage the infrastructure was developed to allow motorists to buy petrol at a multitude of different filing stations. It didn't already exist! Prior to that of course your horse could eat grass wherever it stopped.

Technologies such as wind, solar, and wave power can take advantage of the storage that the electric car has to carry about with it. So there's every reason to expect that the demand for fossil fuel dug or pumped out of the ground will diminish - and that's good because there's less of it now and it will become increasingly expensive to exploit.

A minor issue is that the internal combustion engine isn't very efficient - probably half the fuel energy is wasted as heat - but in British weather that heat is useful to keep the car's occupants warm. But the waste heat from an electric car is insufficient for that purpose, so most cars will need to burn fuel for heat anyway, unless they can be very much better insulated.

Reply to
Graham J

which would need the number of charging points to be restricted to the available power. pv panel mounted on the roof of every ev would help a little.

Reply to
MrCheerful

Imagine this: Saturday in a busy shopping centre car park, 500 car parked there. Each car drawing 10kW charging = 5MW obviously.

Reply to
johannes

Yes think of the logistics to deliver such an infrastructure, for a start your charging vehicles at peak periods so you will need to double the capacity of our power plants, every road in the UK would need to be dug up to install new cabling systems to accommodate this the present info structure is between 50 and 100 years old in most of the country. houses built even in the 50's often were only rated at

40 amps your average domestic shower now pulls 40 amps, new homes are rated minimally at 100 amps some are 150 amps now. the system is often running at near max capacity.
Reply to
steve robinson

which is substantially lower than 5 MW , probably 100kW if your lucky.

Many of the shopping centers are insisting on led lighting systems only now on refits because of capacity issues

Reply to
steve robinson

Maybe with good reason. We are warned every winter that "the lights will go out", and there is still debate about the question of a nuclear power station, its cost and time scales.

Where are all the extra Megawatts going to come from?

Reply to
Gordon H

Much lower maintenance costs are the real plus with decent LED lighting. And instant start.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News)

since every car is always parked in a multi-storey or a garage.

Reply to
MrCheerful

And sun-lamps on the ceilings multi-storey carparks?

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Adrian

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