How much is the volvo worth?

How much is this white ex-police T5 worth 1997 Dec

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196,000 miles on the clock? Not a lot I would say? He says he waspleased the last auction sale fell through at 1,040 pounds because hewanted more for it. Would it not be sensible to pay more money for alower mileage one? As repairs for 196.000 miles ex police one could becostly I think, particularly on a volvo at this mileage. Is mythinking correct? A non ex police red Feb 1999 T5 SE model with141,000 went for 2,150.http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=9872&item=4561538752&rd=1 Look at the valuation
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valuation adjusted for 196,000 miles

Retail: £3,465 Private Good: £2,845 Private Average: £2,055 Private Poor: £1,255 Part Exchange: £2,305 Trade: £2,102

Those valuations seem way out.

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Darren
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Darren (Dazza) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

Irrespective of Ovlovs and ex-plodness, by they time you're at 140k miles, the difference to 200k is relatively academic.

It's condition, condition, condition.

140k could be utterly shagged and worn out if not properly maintained. 200k could be fresh as a daisy.
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Adrian

Agreed, my father has a T5 V70 with 130k on the clock and it goes like stink... - Look out for an oil leak under the engine bay, caused by blow back pressure in the block, blowing out the main crankshaft to gearbox seal. (Big problem with these) Also look out for blue smoke under acceleration, indicating worn turbo seals and possibly bearings. Remember the turbo is a very special peace of kit on this car, it's where all the power comes from, check it out carefully, they can be a grand upwards. The police look after there cars very well. Expect 27mpg tops though!!! I think a T5 for a grand is a real bargain, irrespective of a few faults and high milage....

Once you have driven one!, they are addictive.

Andy

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Nik&Andy

Yeah, those Police bikes are always hooning around at max_revs+1 with race cans on and... oh wait...

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PC Paul

I think I'll trust his opinion on this one as he rides them every day so knows _exactly_ how shagged they are when they get shot. I can only assume it'll be the same for cars.

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SteveH

With respect, he is a bike copper, not a mechanic... - Don't make assumptions, there are good volvo's out there with 2+ million miles on the clock.

Andy

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Nik&Andy

He rides the bikes every day - and has been known to ride a variety of kit, not just the marked bikes.

A Honda Pan European is probably *the* most bulletproof bike ever made, even those are to be avoided after the plod have had them for a few years.

Just because a privately owned Volvo has 2 million miles on it doesn't mean a thrapped to an inch of it's life fast patrol car will make it that far.

It's really not worth the risk. You may get lucky and find a good one, but the odds are you'll buy an expensive shed.

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SteveH

What kind of assumptions ? Those such as assuming a bike 'copper' knows nothing about mechanics ?

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Lordy.UK

Thing is repairs are going to be expensive arent they? And nobody will want it if you try to resell it with 200k+ on it And the repairs will soon cost as much as the car is worth. Anybody know the maintenance costs of these kind of cars? Whats likely to go wrong at this mileage? The turbo wont last much longer will it? How much to replace that? Insurance is group 16 too. Volvo parts arent cheap are they? And volvo dealer maintenance is out of the question the prices they charge.

How specialized is maintaining a volvo t5? Can any garage do it? Independent volvo specialists dont seem very common compared to other makes of cars (eg French cars, Saab etc)

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Darren

If the turbo is original I'd expect it to need replacing soon-ish, especially as I can't see the police leaving their cars to idle for a couple of minutes before cutting the engine..... probably around £500 for an exchange turbo plus fitting.

Anyone should be able to work on the car, but, as a 5-pot motor, the cambelt is going to be a right PITA to replace. (I'm sure I'm right in assuming the engine is longitudinal in these things).

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SteveH

500 plus fitting, well the car is simply not worth buying is it, even at 1000 pounds. For 2000 you can get a lower mileage private only owned higher spec car. (The police ones are fairly poverty spec compared to an SE or CD trim). And not many people like white cars. As for buying the 1000 pound one, you could soon spend in maintenance and repairs what a better example would cost.

What about suspension parts etc, arent they likely to be shagged at that mileage? Could be costly?

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Darren

Volvo parts aren't cheap, neither are the dealers. Fortunately you'll not need many of the former or any of the latter...

But a 2000 quid car can only lose 2000 quid

Unlikely

Yes - I do. Wheel bearings £130, cambelt service (at independant using volvo parts) £450, ECU upgrade £550...

depends - ISTR 400-600 quid being a realistic price for a fitted upgrade turbo...

Group 16 is nowt. My dealer is 79 per hour plus vat - but the guy who services my car is 35...

Any garage with a decent reputation yes.

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Tim S Kemp

It's transverse, and it's not a difficult job - 400 quid all in with the service using original parts.

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Tim S Kemp

No flame intended, but in the USA at an independent shop I believe you could get the same service on a 850 which is about the same as the s70 for US$400 using Volvo parts. (just the belt, not the water pump too...)

Why are things so much more over there?

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Steve

The cost of properly maintaining a car has very little to do with what

*you* paid for it and a lot to do with what it cost new.

Maintaining and running a £1k T5 will cost *much* more than running and maintaining a £1k Corsa...

...but may well represent *much* better value.

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Alistair J Murray

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with 196,000 miles on the clock? Not a lot I would say? He says he was> pleased the last auction sale fell through at 1,040 pounds because he> wanted more for it. Would it not be sensible to pay more money for a> lower mileage one? As repairs for 196.000 miles ex police one could be> costly I think, particularly on a volvo at this mileage. Is my> thinking correct? A non ex police red Feb 1999 T5 SE model with> 141,000 went for 2,150.>

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I would be *very* hesitant to buy an ex-police vehicle, I'd trust them a lot more than an ex-rental, but they're still normally very well used by the time police departments get rid of them, otherwise they'd keep them around.

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James Sweet

Because virtually everything costs more, and hence mechanics have to be paid somewhat higher wages to compensate I would assume. I live in an expensive area of the US and things are similarly pricey across the board.

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James Sweet

In news:d5%Ae.12450$Ll6.3715@trnddc06, James Sweet decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows

Heh, ex rental cars.

*Never* buy one, well, Avis cars are better maintained than any other hire fleet, but even then I'd be mega-wary.

Problem with them is this; there are a *lot* of them out there, far more than most people realise. I've worked for most of the big hire companies, and quite a few of the small independant ones, and I'd not buy a car that any of them have had, bar the occasional Avis one.

Avis ones are only maintained properly because the cars move from depot to depot on a regular basis, and if there's a fault it has to go on Avis's computer system. Once it's on the system as damaged, it can only be removed once the car has been fixed by a main agent, inspected by someone from Avis, reported to Avis, who will then let it back on the system for rentals. If one branch sends a car with a fault to another branch, the first branch gets all the grief for not putting it right. This costs the first branch money, so it's in the second branches interest to find as many faults as possible on every car. The other companies don't give a flying ferrets left testicle. Avis also have maximum mileage / time limits on each car which can't be overridden without permission from Avis head office. This is hard to get. From memory it was along the lines of Fords = 12000 miles / 6 months, Nissan = 9000 miles / 6 months, Saab 17500 miles / 6 months, Renault 7500 miles / 3 months, Volvo 11000 miles / 6 months.

It's very, very rare any of the major hire companies will actually register the cars to themselves, they're normally registered to a lease company which can make identification difficult if you don't know what to look for.

When I was a Nissan salesman out of our used car fleet of 50 cars, 40 were ex hire, 5 were "Demonstrators", a couple were "pre-registered", and there were normally a couple of trade ins.

Best way to spot Avis cars is a little rectangular white sticker with a 7 digit number and a red border, there'll be one on the rear reg plate, one on the back of the interior mirror, one on the lower inside edge of the bootlid, and very often another inside the drivers door jamb. If the car has ever had any damage, there /should/ be a piece of paper or sticker either on the inside of the bootlid, or under the boot mat / carpet.

*Avoid* Budget / National / Hertz cars.[1] [1] This is "in my opinion", obviously.. they're a bit litigious
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Pete M

Pete M ( snipped-for-privacy@blue-nopressedmeat-yonder.co.uk) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :

So how do you spot their cars?

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Adrian

I've had a 1995 850 T5 estate for about 6 months, bought from ebay. It's on

140,000 miles, and is still on the original turbo and clutch. No smoke from turbo (or anywhere), only work I've done on it other than a service is to sort out the air con, which cost about £40 in parts and a re-gas.

German and Swedish are great for most parts at sensible prices

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These cars are *very* quick, and great fun, and handle well too for a big bus, but the ride is firm.

Although insurance group 16-17 the insurance cost is not too bad (I'm 29 with clean licence), - cheaper that the T4 V40 my wife wants!.

I can get low 30's MPG if driven carefully, but that rarely happens :-P

I drove one first 6 years ago and have wanted one ever since, and won't part with it now!

Alan.

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Alan

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