Cost of Diesel in Ca

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The cost of #2 diesel in Ca is now more than unleaded regular gasoline ($2.16 vs. $2.10 /gal) at my local SHELL station. The local "cut rate"
station price is $2.09/gal. How are the rest of you fairing with fuel prices? wolf
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Basically the same in Vancouver, BC
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Was $1.659 in Pennsylvania last week... don't know what it is currently
Yes sir.... the oil companies sure love having one of their puppets in the Whitehouse...

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that is borderline criminal, at the wholesale level #2 oil (diesel) is around 20 cents lower than unleaded reg. in NJ the price for diesel is about 159.9 and reg is about 168.9, and they still pump it for you
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Isn't that because it is illegal for you to pump it yourself? I heard that NJ and either Oregon or Washington were the only 2 states where it is illegal to pump your own gas. Why is that?

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It is OR, and when I lived there, it was my understanding that it was a cost free way for the state to have a low wage jobs program.
(cost free to the state budget, I mean)
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because those 2 states didn't fall for the BS that self serve lowers fuel prices
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> > Isn't that because it is illegal for you to pump it yourself? I heard

O.K., I don't believe that fuel prices follow any rational theory, (on the wholesale level, more than retail.) but how can you say that adding costs (payroll) to a gas station is going to have ANY effect on gas prices except upward? If you ever are in Portland OR, you will find gas IS less expensive in Vancouver WA. Usually by at LEAST 5cents.
Can you come up with any other logical way for a small business owner to recoup costs, other than by raising his prices???
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 16:10:33 GMT, "Bernard Farquart"

you are wrong about wholesale prices and you are forgetting the biggest component of fuel prices, taxes
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I have my opinion of wholesale prices due to seeing the fact that gas prices follow no logic. I.E. prices lower farther away from ports/refinery (Spokane less than Seattle) If you have gas prices that lower as costs are applied (transport) then the assumption made is arbitrary pricing. I doubt anyone who isn't bound by confidentiality agreements would be able to actually answer what the reality of that is, however.
My point was that if gas costs whatever amount including tax, to the station owner, and he has no requirement for an attendant, he can run a gas station with one employee all day. Depending on his hours, he could work a shift, and add eight or twelve hours payroll, so he can have a life of his own.
If he has to pump gas,he must add sixteen or twenty hours of payroll, plus benefits, FICA etc. etc. etc. Now what? He has added costs that WILL be passed on (duh) so how does that not increase the price of a gallon of gas?
Bernard
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Yes, and if you guys don't stop moaning about the price of diesel fuel in North America I am going to bore you with the higher prices in the UK...
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On Wed, 5 May 2004 18:42:35 +0100, "Dori A Schmetterling"

nobody wants to here your whining about your fuel costs, your fuel taxes are so high because that is how your government funds it's brand of socialism
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And your whining because your government won't grab the bull by its horns and encourage reduced fuel consumption etc etc
And doesn't provide a decent comprehensive health service blah blah..... :-)
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, "Dori A Schmetterling"

fuel in

UK...
nobody wants to here your whining about your fuel costs, your fuel

"Dori A Schmetterling"

Yes, there are differences. I would like low taxes and high levels of government service, but everything is a trade off.
Lucky for us, nationalism makes your own system seem like the best, so everybody is happy.Can we not go down this path?
127.0.0.1, I am still waiting for your economic theory on the lack of retail price increases in the face of increased costs, though.
Thanks, Bernard
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OOps! I forgot, the Patriot act requires the word nationalism to be replaced by the word Patriotism.
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You know what nationalism (or jingoism) is, don't you? That's what the Left calls patriotism when its practiced by Americans.
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On Wed, 05 May 2004 23:07:55 GMT, "Bernard Farquart"

huh? retail prices are higher where there is more labor costs, who said elsewise

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You did about five messages up this thread.
you said "because those 2 states didn't fall for the BS that self serve lowers fuel prices"
when responding to the question of why OR and NJ make the station pump your gas.
That was what I was asking about.
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 18:55:17 GMT, "Bernard Farquart"

self serve DOES NOT lower prices, I think we agree on that
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Well, I don't think we do. Self serve, that is to say the lack of a Mayberry R.F.D. type to put the hose into the car, should result in lower retail prices due to fewer costs (labor) at the retail level.
What I had said was that the only reason for a state to require an attendant was to have a cost free jobs program. I don't see where we are in agreement.
You agree that labor costs increase prices
> "huh? retail prices are higher where > there is more labor costs, who > said elsewise"
Then you say self-serve does not lower prices. I am puzzled by the tension between your two positions.
Bernard
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