Here is how to stop high fuel prices It will work

The answer is pretty simple....when fuel gets high enough in the USA for real entrepreneurs to get started you will begin to see some solutions to the petroleum problem. I'm really surprised that some of the bright people in the EU don't get working on the problem with fuel at $7+ per gallon. If that were the case in the USA you'd see some real action. Right now the incentive is not there.

Was in Las Vegas Thursday and saw some new French articulating hybrid buses. They not only looked pretty cool they were also clean running and pretty much silent. As my friend and I sat there in his pickup truck, an older diesel bus pulled up beside us. Nearly choked on the fumes and couldn't talk to each other without raising our voices because of the noise.

Problems with driving in the USA involve generally longer distances between points because of the size of the country and the fact that governments leave most of the entrepreneurship to individuals. I understand it has something to do with capitalism and the way it benefits those willing to do a bit more than the next guy. I see where the French are going back to the

39 hour work week since dropping it to 31 hours still left them with 10% unemployment. We're at about 5% unemployment in the US and 4% of the people wouldn't work if it slapped them in the face. Go figure.

Oh yeah, and the BS from Nigel was free of political overtones? What a moron!

I am pleased that you have called me to task.

Yes, I was being an @sshole. That was a completely cheap shot that I took. But here's why I wrote that.

The shots that you and Martin Joseph took against the US were equally as cheap.

There has been no attacks on the US continent since Bush took action. Have you no sense of how many people, many of whom were US servicemen, have given their lives just so that @ssholes like you can make stupid comments like you have?

The Iraq front has been brilliant, both tactically and strategically.

There's nowhere to park anyway.

snipped-for-privacy@ca.inter.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Explain how 30 civilian deaths for each one 9/11 death is "brilliant":

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strategically.

"brilliant":

The US lost about 1,000 sailors at Pearl Harbour. Explain how the loss of millions of lives in WW II justified the death of a 1,000 sailors.

You are wrong.

Automatic transmission is for the handicapped and manual is for the healthy ones having two perfectly working legs and arms.

Reg: Harri

snipped-for-privacy@ca.inter.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Uh... we attacked the country that ACTUALLY ATTACKED US?

We have those in seattle and they are getting worse mileage then the older diesel only articulated buses...

Woops.

marty

You obviously have not researched the nature of Al Quaida at all.

FYI, it belongs to no country and has no borders. I suggest you research before you criticize.

Vehemence and tenacity are not substututes for ignorance.

This is as far as I will take this argument.

As "cp" pointed out - this is not a political discussion newsgroup. You are free to reply as you wish.

snipped-for-privacy@ca.inter.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Neither did the CIA and the Bush Administration.

They had no operations in Iraq, and none of the Iraqi civilians killed had or have been identified as having any ties to Al Qaida.

Then I suggest you dispense with the former, and cure your severe case of the latter.

snipped-for-privacy@ca.inter.net wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

Well at least dancing on 100,000 graves seems to have fatigued you.

Little solace to them.

You have got to be kidding me.

Cheap shots against the US? Buddy, open up your eyes and smell the roses, spend some thousands of hours of research and then come back and tell me that I'm taking "cheap shots at the US". Your demon government will not destroy other peoples but will result in the destruction of the US economy as well, when that happens, I'm on the street, as Canada will fall right behind.

You FOOL, WHAT does that prove? Attempting to explain geo-politics to you would be like attempting to explain calculus to a kindergarten.

like you have?

WHAT STUPID COMMENTS??!@!? WHAT HAVE YOUR US SERVICEMEN SAVED ME FROM!?!?!??! YOUR US SERVICEMEN HAVE >>>>>>>BUTCHERED>MILLIONS

Buddy, the post I replied had political overtones, SO I REPLIED WITH THE LIKE!!

cp

diesel only articulated buses...

Yeh, but look at the decrease in pollution, a typical diesel bus pollutes 20-30 times more than a car, and most of the time there's few people in the bus anyways.

cp

OK, I can "top-post" with the best of them. What problems do I have with Nigel's article? Frankly, it shows clearly just how dangerous a little education can be.

1) the color of the article seems predicated on some imagined U.S. "WAR FOR RESOURCES AND THE ECONOMIC SURVIVAL OF THE UNITED STATES AS A GLOBAL POWER". Here's the blunt truth. There are no major corporations that even imagine that there is some fictitious "US ONLY" economy. Here's a hint - count the number of times the word "Chrysler" is mentioned in this newsgroup. Isolationism has not been a viable policy since the forties, and believe me, the real MBA's working for real US corporations (who the heck does Nigel work for?) know this. And the real politicians, who are generously taken care of by the real corporations know this, too.

2) The "failure" of the U.S. dollar is unlikely in the extreme. Again, this is strongly tied in with the globalization of our economy. The very "indebtedness" that the article cites is exactly why. An isolated U.S. economy is perfectly capable of collapsing all by itself - witness 1929. Again, REAL MBA's working for REAL corporations are very aware of this. Our very "indebtedness" is something that in a small business, one would call an accounts receivable - and that very negative sounding term is actually not a bad thing in real-world economics.

3) I utterly despise Nigel's assertions that Israel and the U.S. are somehow responsible for terrorist actions. The history of the part of our global culture from which much of the terrorist actions originate is a history of intrigue, assassination and terrorism dating from when the U.S. was a collection of Sioux, Seminole, Cherokee, Arapahoe, etc. nations. Only the Israelis seem to recognize this fact and respond appropriately. Bluntly "the causes of world terror" are cultures that vastly predate not only any current U.S. policies, but even predate the U.S. I do not defend some of the "Cowboy politics" we have been guilty of - but to say "U.S. = deserved terrorism" is just flat over the top.

4) Nigel has been sucked into the whole "The Fed is fictitious" bullshit. Oh gee, let's think about this. We (the U.S.) went from a currency based on a mineral whose supplies were inadequate (gold) to a paper (or goods and services based) economy, and on the way, some wealthy farts may or may not have made a grab for a piece of the pie. SO WHAT? Get over it. Whatever it's origins may have been, the Fed is undoubtedly very real. Get used to it. This diahrrea is spewed by some of the sleaziest crotch vermin on the planet, those affiliated with Global Prosperity and Pinnacle Quest to incite those who either have no common sense or are just f'king nuts to part with their hard-earned cash. Guess what. The Fed is real. The IRS is real. Don't like their origins? Too bad. They're a fact of life. So is the prison you will go to if you swallow the utter nonsense utter nonsense propagated by PQI and Global Prosperity.

5) Who the heck is Nigel H Maund, anyway? He claims in his own modest words to be a "world-renowned Geologist" and an "Economic Geologist"... Hey great - He's a geologist! He's an economist! He's two nuts in one. His claim to fame seems to be mostly spouting off about the Fed and Alan Greenspan, and stealing some charts from Clive Maund, who seems to spend a lot of effort stating that Nigel's works are not his.

6) Finally, the top post was just dumb. It was A) totally incorrect in it's assumptions, and B) childishly naive and simplistic in it's solutions. Nigel's pseudo-educated drivel didn't really shed a lot of light on the real issues, which are, I'm afraid, a little bit tougher to face. Having a one-day gas tantrum isn't going to do much to the petro- economy. Boycotting the right companies (which the top post has utterly wrong) won't even make much of a dent. Making deliberate, INFORMED, personally responsible, long-term choices seems unconfortable, but ultimately holds more promise for addressing the real issues.

There's more - actually quite a lot more, but that will do for starters.

Conrad

it in reply to another post which had political

Couldn't have said it better.

cp

That IS the blunt truth! The state aim of the people running the US is to keep the US #1 znd prevent the rise of a formidable adversary such as the USSR was. In the first Iraq war, the US had to ask the USSR whether it was OK to attack iraq, the ruskies didn't care as their empire was falling apart. The US is surrounding Russia and China (and don't even dare deny that), to keep them in check. Read what is going on from the horses mouth, I'm sure you've heard of

the official neoconservative page. Heck, the NY Times even "leaked" out a partial pentagondocument in the early 90's that stated that the general strategy for the US is to stay on top and prevent the rise of anychallengers, such as China. Read the The Great Game by brzezinski, read chalmers johnson, chomsky, and when you haveproof that they are wrong then I want hear about it. No nonsense about 'liberals' please. here's something by ol' general smedley butler, you've probably read it

what kind of a first name is 'smedley'

This is geo-politics, markets and resources have to be safeguarded for corporations.

That's what preventing a quick collapse, because everyone else would feel it too. China and Japan would have as much as the US to lose if the US economy collapsed, so they thread softly and bank the US.

The US borrows $2 billion every day to support itself, the average american is mired in debt, you call that good economics?

I don't know if 'responsible' is the right word here, US and Israeli actions definitely attract terrorists. This Iraqi war is giving birth to thousands of potential terrorists everyday. If US troops destroyed your city and your family you would become a "terrorist" too.

One thing Americans need to get out of their heads is that theirs is a God chosen righteous nation, only Israel is special in God's eyes. As you're defending Israel I assume you're a Bible believing Christian; well I have news for you; the entire Old Testament witnesses to the sins of Israel and their need for the Messiah, the Bible was written by Jews, what makes you think that Israel is righteous now?

Give me a break! ARE THEY ATTACKING SWEDEN AND SWITZERLAND?!?! GERMANY?? NORWAY1?!?! Get this self-righteousness out of your head! EVERY NATION HAS COMMITTED SINS, THE GREATER THE NATION THE GREATER THE SIN, WHAT MAKES YOUR NATION ANY DIFFERENT!?!? ANSWER THAT!! Your military has been killing countries and people for over a hundred years, don't you think that some are about to get angry? Terrorism is the fight of the weak against the strong. The US has killed many times more people as terrorists have killed in the last 35 years, that's bound to make some people angry and that's were terrorists come from.

WHO is innocent of "intrigue, assassination and terrorism"?

"That" part of the world is weak, it's the only way they can fight back. You do believe in fighting back, don't you?

The Israelis invented modern terrorism, it is how Israel was formed, every heard of the King David Hotel? I almost lost some Jewish friends when I told them that but they realize that it's true, especially one of them who served in the IDF and bragged about kicking around decapitated Arab heads.

What is "world terror"? Who said all world terror is caused by US policies?

Almost all the terror in europe in the 70s and 80s was cause by europeans. there is a world outside the US, eh?

Yes, and it's precisely the cowboy politics that anger people and make them want to hurt americans.

Who said "U.S. = deserved terrorism" ? That is a very serious accusation. I didn't say it and neither did that Nigel guy. I would not post anything that would say anything like that.

Whatever, that's a side issue

I don't know and I don't care, the guy "voiced" my beliefs which come from thousands of hours of research.

Yeh, and it was pulled straight from the top post at snopes.com

nice chatting with you, cp